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Further evidence that its product is the stock.
what does that even mean ?
The people buying Tesla stock buy it because it just goes up, regardless of the health or future of the underlying company.
New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting
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"Do this only orally" is always to hide evidence from a future court discovery. I don't think Tesla would do this unless management consider it very serious.
In previous employment (as a software engineer), I've been told to do this too - mainly around inventions we were trying to patent. The reason is slightly less nefarious than you might think - for example, someone might casually say that some aspect of their patent is "obvious" but they're saying that as an expert in their field who may have spent months or years thinking about the problem and alternative solutions.…
To provide my own anecdote, refusing to take any feedback except orally was how the Sacklers instructed their sales reps to handle issues and concerns about Oxycontin abuse. It was to avoid having any discoverable evidence that they received reports of abuse and did nothing about it.
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#163The weirdest part of this to me is the customer. You knew the manufacturer had a reputation of forgetting hard to check parts ... and you still bought one. What else could it be missing that you can't practically check for? Still I guess at least it's good to see Tesla living up to the reputation for American cars to be generally shit build quality. I feel like they're going a bit overboard on that factor though.
American cars, especially trucks, have a great reputation. What are you talking about?
You've never heard the joke that FORD stands for "Fix It Again, Tony" (and, unrelatedly, FIAT stands for "Found On Roadside, Dead")?
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Anyone should be highly skeptical whenever Tesla adopts an "industry first". There may be good reasons the industry doesn't do that. It may be something that an experienced engineer would advise against.
It's mostly just a lack of willingness to spend on large casting machines. Tesla is famous for purchasing the largest presses: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giga_Press Tesla is partly empowered to do this because electric vehicles are mechanically simpler than ICEs, and the batteries themselves also are made to be structural components. There's nothing fundamentally unsound about pressed aluminum.
The casting flaw in the OP would never have passed through a working quality control system, which would be automated radiography. You don't just buy casting machines, you have to develop the organizational doctrine to put them into practice.
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It would be a weird play for anyone to sign such a thing. Most states in the U.S. have lemon laws that prevent maufacturers from selling such vehicles. A manufacturer only gets a certain number of attempts at repairs (usually 3 for new cars) on new vehicles or a limited time frame to fix them before they must offer a full replacement.
> A manufacturer only gets a certain number of attempts at repairs (usually 3 for new cars) on new vehicles or a limited time frame to fix them before they must offer a full replacement Wow that would be awesome. Someone I know here in the EU had a leaking sun roof on their Toyota and after so many fixes and replacements that did nothing (and she had to pay for) the dealer basically said "we can't fix it, the parts a…
Some dealers offer third-party accessories as options on new cars. I had a car whose aftermarket sunroof was installed by the dealer when it was bought by the original owner. Fortunately, mine never leaked, but I'm not sure the US Lemon Laws would have covered it if it had.
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#166Sounds like not much has changed since 2015. A good friend ordered a new Model S in 2015. It arrived with a "squeak" that turned out to be due to missing welds in structural components of the chassis. They wanted him to sign an NDA to get a replacement vehicle (which he refused to do, both on principle, and because he'd talked to friends about it already). So he was forced to keep his vehicle, which was then repaired…
> And this is how they treated their early adopters that were paying $100K in 2015 for their higher end cars. And yet it didn't stop anyone from buying Teslas... It's almost as if they knew they could get away with murder.
This kind of thing certainly stopped me from buying one, even in the days before they were referred to as “MAGAmobiles”.
Instead I waited for companies that actually know how to make cars to work out how to make electric cars.
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#167For industrial manufacturing engineers in the audience - what is the threshold of cracking that’s acceptable in a casting this size given the constraints of safety and reliability?
Curious if selling this casting to a customer was an intentional decision, and if so, what the tolerances are for this type of deviation in a factory making cars.
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#168There's a learning curve parable about the fastest way to learn how to make quality clay pots. Team A focuses on making 1 perfect pot. Specifications, research, process, testing, verification, etc. They get pretty close with their initial pots, but they struggle to scale up. Team B just starts making pots. As fast they can. Make incremental tiny improvements. Most pots are total losses. But they do manage to start ma…
I would not bank on Kia or Hyundai... A large swath of of their engines made within the last decade or so have a reputation for not lasting within or much beyond the warranty period, which has lead to multiple class-action lawsuits.
I have a Kia Sorento and overall it's a simple, honest car that's easy to work on and pretty well-built overall. But at 80k miles, the engine burns a quart every 1k miles which is entirely stupid. By comparison, our Mazda 5 (a very cheaply-made car!) engine lasted something like 150k miles and burned no oil with practically no maintenance to the engine.
I think a Toyota is in our near future.
Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting
#169The weirdest part of this to me is the customer. You knew the manufacturer had a reputation of forgetting hard to check parts ... and you still bought one. What else could it be missing that you can't practically check for? Still I guess at least it's good to see Tesla living up to the reputation for American cars to be generally shit build quality. I feel like they're going a bit overboard on that factor though.
American cars, especially trucks, have a great reputation. What are you talking about?
> American cars, especially trucks, have a great reputation
Not in the rest of the world they don't.
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>You knew the manufacturer had a reputation of forgetting hard to check parts... and you still bought one. Yeah but the company is run by a hip cool memelord who's gonna get us to mars, and his cars have nice softwares like my iPad. Who cares about the metal parts of the car's rigidity structure? That's just something old boring people think about. Everyone knows EVs are more reliable than ICE so no need to ever look…
Got a friend working for tesla after-sales service in Europa and he claims the Chinese-made Teslas are better quality than the ones that are American-made
>Chinese-made Teslas are better quality than the ones that are American-made
Shit rolls up-hill. It's not that american factory workers are worse at assembling widgets than chinese factory workers, it's that american factory management is shit.
British Leyland would also traditionally make garbage cars, but when the Japanese came, those same workers were churning out good cars.
Processes, culture, management and leadership makes all the difference.