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ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by schnitzelstoat »

kypro wrote: post #160
Gigachad wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm almost hoping for some enshittification. It's so depressing seeing how many skills and jobs have been instantly devalued. Take a look at the artist communities and it's total depression that peoples life passion and source of income has just been deleted over the course of a few months. We aren't talking about burger flipping and checkout scanners. This is a creative pursuit which takes years of grinding to becom…

The most depressing thing is talking to children about potential careers at the moment... My girlfriend have a couple of younger siblings, one of them loves art and draws endless – he really wants to design characters for cartoons and video games. The other loves programming and wants be a developer. I've always encouraged these passions of theirs, telling them if they work hard they can do the things they love as a…

We aren't even close to development work being automated away.

Maybe art because it's often less critical. If your logo looks a bit goofy because it's AI-generated it doesn't matter. If your production server crashes because of a problem in your AI-generated code, it does.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #161
kypro wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most depressing thing is talking to children about potential careers at the moment... My girlfriend have a couple of younger siblings, one of them loves art and draws endless – he really wants to design characters for cartoons and video games. The other loves programming and wants be a developer. I've always encouraged these passions of theirs, telling them if they work hard they can do the things they love as a…

We aren't even close to development work being automated away. Maybe art because it's often less critical. If your logo looks a bit goofy because it's AI-generated it doesn't matter. If your production server crashes because of a problem in your AI-generated code, it does.

>If your logo looks a bit goofy because it's AI-generated it doesn't matter.

So, you're evidently not a designer?

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by hospitalJail »

Gigachad wrote: post #106
keyle wrote: post #67

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I'm actually worried of the inevitable enshitification of Open AI. Right now, GPT 4 is great and I use it every day. I rely less and less on Google and save a ton of time. Google has gone downhill hard for a few years, thanks to all these silly blog engines like medium, substack and the like. I'm really worried and would like to 'freeze' GPT 4 as is, at least with the data up to Sep 2021, and for them to not change o…

I'm almost hoping for some enshittification. It's so depressing seeing how many skills and jobs have been instantly devalued. Take a look at the artist communities and it's total depression that peoples life passion and source of income has just been deleted over the course of a few months. We aren't talking about burger flipping and checkout scanners. This is a creative pursuit which takes years of grinding to becom…

> It's so depressing seeing how many skills and jobs have been instantly devalued. Take a look at the artist communities and it's total depression that peoples life passion and source of income has just been deleted over the course of a few months.

>We aren't talking about burger flipping and checkout scanners. This is a creative pursuit which takes years of grinding to become proficient, just wiped out.

Solve cancer first, then we can weep for jobs that were automated. There is too much suffering in this world for us to be making up jobs that are to waste time.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by zirgs »

kypro wrote: post #160
Gigachad wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm almost hoping for some enshittification. It's so depressing seeing how many skills and jobs have been instantly devalued. Take a look at the artist communities and it's total depression that peoples life passion and source of income has just been deleted over the course of a few months. We aren't talking about burger flipping and checkout scanners. This is a creative pursuit which takes years of grinding to becom…

The most depressing thing is talking to children about potential careers at the moment... My girlfriend have a couple of younger siblings, one of them loves art and draws endless – he really wants to design characters for cartoons and video games. The other loves programming and wants be a developer. I've always encouraged these passions of theirs, telling them if they work hard they can do the things they love as a…

AI is a tool and is not going to replace artists any time soon.

Proper 3D art generators don't even exist yet. The ones that do are useless toys. We aren't even close to generators that can output anything even close to what a beginner 3D artist can produce.

And yes - it will make sense to physically draw stuff, because it's a much better way to tell the AI what to do. You can massage prompts all day and you will still not get what you want. Providing a pose, depth map, normal map or a reference image gives the AI a lot more information than just a prompt. I don't see that changing any time soon. You simply can't describe every single detail in a propmpt. An even if you could - it's still quicker to make a rough sketch of what you want instead of writing a goddamn novel in the prompt textbox.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by zirgs »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #161
kypro wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most depressing thing is talking to children about potential careers at the moment... My girlfriend have a couple of younger siblings, one of them loves art and draws endless – he really wants to design characters for cartoons and video games. The other loves programming and wants be a developer. I've always encouraged these passions of theirs, telling them if they work hard they can do the things they love as a…

We aren't even close to development work being automated away. Maybe art because it's often less critical. If your logo looks a bit goofy because it's AI-generated it doesn't matter. If your production server crashes because of a problem in your AI-generated code, it does.

If the logo is a bit goofy, you can press "generate" again.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by callalex »

renewiltord wrote: post #149
thomasahle wrote: post #135

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> Being able to recite a quote from a book is different than reproducing the entire book. Language models can often reproduce an entire book. And image models like midjourney can reproduce lots of copyrighted art more or less flawlessly: https://ceoln.wordpress.com/2022/12/16/some-light-infringeme...

It's possible with Google Docs too. The whackiest thing the other day was that I was using the screenshot tool in MacOS and it made a screenshot of copyrighted content. I was flabbergasted. The tool just did it with 4 parameters.

And if you use those reproductions commercially it is almost universally illegal already.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by doublerabbit »

zirgs wrote: post #164
kypro wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most depressing thing is talking to children about potential careers at the moment... My girlfriend have a couple of younger siblings, one of them loves art and draws endless – he really wants to design characters for cartoons and video games. The other loves programming and wants be a developer. I've always encouraged these passions of theirs, telling them if they work hard they can do the things they love as a…

AI is a tool and is not going to replace artists any time soon. Proper 3D art generators don't even exist yet. The ones that do are useless toys. We aren't even close to generators that can output anything even close to what a beginner 3D artist can produce. And yes - it will make sense to physically draw stuff, because it's a much better way to tell the AI what to do. You can massage prompts all day and you will sti…

I'm fed up of the line: AI is a tool and is not going to replace artists any time soon. Take a look at the VFX industry; it's starting to crumble.

I'll wager within five-ten years, ML Generated Art will be churning out content of that an experienced artist is capable of. In seconds, compared to months, years it takes for an artist. And once we master the formula of emotion, it's game over.

Stream AI/ML a real-life drone fed weather catastrophe and watch it produce an realistic journalistic news cast.

A manual-operated lathe was once assisted with human input, that then evolved in to an automated lathe, that then was aided by CAD and now with the aide of 3D printers, you no longer need the manual labor that once used to manually create an object from a block of wood, metal.

AI/ML is the new lathe of the digital world. It's a powerful tool that right now can aide with artists. But that will evolve, concept work won't be required and skill will be lost.

It's destined to be. It will replace artists, writers, journalists, news casters and other creative outlets.

Why? Because you don't have to pay AI.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by donkeyd »

doublerabbit wrote: post #167
zirgs wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI is a tool and is not going to replace artists any time soon. Proper 3D art generators don't even exist yet. The ones that do are useless toys. We aren't even close to generators that can output anything even close to what a beginner 3D artist can produce. And yes - it will make sense to physically draw stuff, because it's a much better way to tell the AI what to do. You can massage prompts all day and you will sti…

I'm fed up of the line: AI is a tool and is not going to replace artists any time soon. Take a look at the VFX industry; it's starting to crumble. I'll wager within five-ten years, ML Generated Art will be churning out content of that an experienced artist is capable of. In seconds, compared to months, years it takes for an artist. And once we master the formula of emotion, it's game over. Stream AI/ML a real-life dr…

> I wager $50 five-ten years, that we'll be churning out content that an experienced artist is capable of.

I wager $50 that 'artists' will still exist and that this becomes a tool for those artists if they just accept it. We all have phones that can make great photos, yet I still paid for someone to photograph my wedding, because they are much, much better than anyone with a phone. Just understanding all the knobs of generative AI takes a lot of time.

I feel like the only thing actually impacted by this soon is the stock photography content farm game. Because if stock imagery is good enough, AI generated images might be good enough.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by zoky »

doublerabbit wrote: post #167
zirgs wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI is a tool and is not going to replace artists any time soon. Proper 3D art generators don't even exist yet. The ones that do are useless toys. We aren't even close to generators that can output anything even close to what a beginner 3D artist can produce. And yes - it will make sense to physically draw stuff, because it's a much better way to tell the AI what to do. You can massage prompts all day and you will sti…

I'm fed up of the line: AI is a tool and is not going to replace artists any time soon. Take a look at the VFX industry; it's starting to crumble. I'll wager within five-ten years, ML Generated Art will be churning out content of that an experienced artist is capable of. In seconds, compared to months, years it takes for an artist. And once we master the formula of emotion, it's game over. Stream AI/ML a real-life dr…

Yeah, okay, sure buddy. Let me know when AI can make a better buggy whip than an actual human being.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by flangola7 »

sharemywin wrote: post #13
wongarsu wrote: post #7

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So far OpenAI's modus operandi was "does it get better if we make it bigger". But now we've reached "good enough" (arguably already with GPT3.5, as evidenced by free ChatGPT running on GPT3.5-turbo). There has been promising work about making models smaller without losing performance (e.g. by training them longer), or quantizing the weights (llama.cpp etc) to make the model cheaper to run. I believe we will see a lot…

let's not forget about good old fashion moore's law. which I believe in GPUs is even faster. and I'm not sure if some of these exotics Hardware architectures will pane out or not either.

Faster is an understatement. On password hashing the margin of safety dropped by 30x since 2020 due to GPU improvements.
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