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Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Assertiveness is a bad thing in drivers. Sure you wait longer for others to do the right thing, but you also don't force crashes because of your bad driving.

It’s more expectedness. I find CA drivers to be very assertive, meaning they will accelerate to pass you while joining the freeway; in the Midwest people will slow down when merging to be polite, which causes many more issues.

Neither of those is assertiveness IMO

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

#162

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Exactly. Some criminal acts are so simple even an animal could do them - destroy something. Others are so complex or use the software against itself that they clearly are hacking; even if they remain criminal.

Is putting a cone on a vehicle to cause traffic jams really so complex? Perhaps the first person to do it was a bit clever, but anyone imitating it really isn't.

I think it depends. To compare it back to the phone phreaker example, putting up a single cone that blocks something is roughly the equivalent of cutting a phone line. That is to say, probably not hacking.

But what about when you add a level of complexity and creativity? Say, putting up a series of cones that trap the car in an endless circle?

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

#163
post #149

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>Tesla vehicles should be compared to similar vehicles driven by people that can afford a Tesla. (Not to a national average that includes lots of small, cheap or old cars). >Robotaxis incident rates should be compared to taxi incident rates in the specific areas. That's what I said in the original comment? >overall accident rates (controlling for reasonable variables of course)

You did say that, not sure how I missed that. Sorry for that

Your example helped me. I wasn't thinking of that.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Lots of top level comments here are making sweeping generalizations about self driving cars from this event, but the truth is that we won't know which vehicle is at fault here until some video comes out of the incident.

“Cruise said one of its self-driving Chevy Bolt EVs entered an intersection on a green traffic light at Polk and Turk streets when it was struck by an emergency vehicle that appeared to be en route to an emergency scene.”

Hard to imagine a scenario in which an emergency vehicle with its lights and sirens on is at fault here. Normal traffic is required to STOP in this situation, even if the traffic light is green.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

#165
The amount of mental gymnastics in the comments here to justify the Cruise vehicle's actions baffles me. Emergency vehicles have right of way, always, in the USA. This is non-negotiable, especially if sirens are blaring. It does not matter if other vehicles have a green light.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

#166

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> Everyone, including you, has read at least one text while driving. No.

Yes. You are just in denial.

Nope. Believe it or not, some of us put our phones away when we drive. Mine is either in my hip pocket or center console. I couldn’t read a text while driving even if I wanted to.

Driving is one of two things I regularly do in which a moment’s inattention could cost someone’s life (belaying climbers is the other). I take both very seriously. I’ve seen brains spilled out on the roadway by someone who didn’t, and I’ll never forget that.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

#167
post #77

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You’re missing the point. It’s an appeal that we need to change the status quo. They may not be there yet. But AVs are the only serious contender to solve the traffic fatality problem.

Trains. Buses. Bikeable areas. How did we land in a spot where the “only serious contender” to solve this problem is VC funded companies using the roads and people’s lives as beta testing grounds? Absolutely absurd.

We’ve had those technologies for decades. Why are fatalities not dropping to zero?

Because the personal automobile is so desirable.

A majority of fatalities do not happen in urban environments. But the solution has to cover the last mile, or else it will not be an attractive alternative to other modes.

Alabama, Mississippi et al have highest fatality rates. A car is far more convenient than a bus or a bike.

I’m referring to the technology generally here. I’m indifferent to how it comes about (“VC funded” etc). We need to innovate to solve hard problems.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

#168
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Good idea. Let's extend that to all gasoline vehicles. They can only be driven (or robo-ride) every other day. Cuts congestion and gas consumption. Makes parking easier. Every driver can still get to all of things they have to. They just have to learn to schedule things better. Car pool, transit, whatever. Most cars aren't driven many hours a day anyways.

When they did such things for instance in Beijing, the wealthy just bought two cars to cover either day.

I assume most people aren't wealthy enough to do that, so the measure still reduces the number of cars on the road and the amount of petrol consumed. And the net effect is to transfer wealth from rich people to all the people involved in making cars. Sounds like a win to me.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

#169

Everywhere I've lived, it's the responsibility of the emergency vehicle to avoid a wreck when they are crossing an intersection against the signal, whether they're lit up and blasting the siren or not. If the Cruise vehicle really did have a green and the emergency vehicle struck them, then this doesn't actually seem like their fault.

Ummm when you are driving and hear a EMT vehicle you as a driver have to immediately pull to the side and out of the way. Sounds like your giving the robot guinea pig AI car a pass when clearly it did not and will not act like a human does.

Safety is the first rule, yielding the right-of-way is second. This was not an emergency vehicle behind the Cruise car, it was an emergency vehicle entering an intersection against the signal (running the red). They are supposed to stop and proceed only once they verify the intersection is clear.

Another example is when you are at a red light and an emergency vehicle comes up behind you with their lights & siren activated. What do you do? Wait where you are for them to go around, or the light to turn green. Firefighters everywhere urge you not to run a red light just to make way for them, because it makes everyone less safe, including them.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

#170
post #53

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An unlicensed driver in the Mission plowed into me on my motorcycle because he panicked and slammed on the gas. Cruise cars, conversely, generally result in close calls due to aborted lane changes, cutting me off, or absurd double parking, but I can safely assume that a Cruise car will sit at a stop sign for minutes on end of other drivers don't give it a turn. Cruise vehicles operate like over-cautious student drive…

You also have the situation where an assumed perfect car that drives exactly as you expect, but once in a million goes just kills you - is likely to be much less annoying (unless you’re dead) than a car that every single time you interact with it does weird things, even though it never kills you at all

Every day you're probably taking one-in-a-million risks where a drunk driver in an Escalade could randomly kill you. Either you get T-boned when it runs a red light at >60 mph or it drives off the road and snaps off one of those breakaway light poles and flattens you as a pedestrian.
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