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This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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Post by byrneseyeview »

larrys wrote: post #101
beatle wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope you enjoyed your 5-min of fame Mike Daisey because your reputation is now completely and irrevocably ruined.

Oh "one more thing". There's Henry Blodget as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Blodget

What was Blodget accused of fabricating?

My understanding is that he settled when he was accused of touting stocks he didn't like. But I also understand that he actually lost a lot of money on such stocks.

He paid $4m in restitution to investors, but apparently the total amount of lost money that could be traced to his transactions was less than the interest on the $4m over the half-decade after the fine. So the case looks a lot more complicated than the capsule version.

Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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Post by bilbo0s »

Steko wrote: post #96
beatle wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope you enjoyed your 5-min of fame Mike Daisey because your reputation is now completely and irrevocably ruined.

He's probably sold enough tickets over the last 5 months in NY to retire on. Interestingly his show's run off broadway is scheduled through the 18th; anyone want to start a pool on that?

He can just rebrand it a comedy.

Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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Post by beatle »

rhizome wrote: post #148
beatle wrote: post #121

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what do you think about James Frey and Henry Blodget? exactly.

That they're making their way in the world just fine despite their histories, rendering any imaginary cosmic retribution impotent?

Big difference.

James Frey lied about his own personal experience and Henry Blodget was involved in securities fraud. They are relatively unknown outside their industry.

Mike Daisey told lies that he presented to news organizations, blogs, etc. as facts -- for money and self-promotion at the expense of a well respected company. CNN, NYTimes, The Washington Post, etc. wrote articles based on Mike Daisey's lies. In my view this is similar to what happened to Dan Rather a few years ago. People will forget, but they will remember.

Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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Post by beatle »

bilbo0s wrote: post #162
Steko wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's probably sold enough tickets over the last 5 months in NY to retire on. Interestingly his show's run off broadway is scheduled through the 18th; anyone want to start a pool on that?

He can just rebrand it a comedy.

And sell the video on iTunes :)

Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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Post by ceejayoz »

brudgers wrote: post #154
ceejayoz wrote: post #134

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> Apple was a sponsor of NPR in FY 2008 and 2009, and 2010. That's nice, but This American Life isn't made by NPR. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Radio_International > PRI is a major public media content creator and also distributes programs from many sources, competing with National Public Radio and American Public Media to provide programming to public radio stations.

Chicago Public Radio, who is purported to have sent the email, does have an ongoing relationship with NPR. So does their parent company, Chicago Public Media which produces This American Life. NPR coproduces Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me with CPM. PRI, as you note, is in competition with NPR (and CPM). They are producers of the journalistic expose' about a one man show not meeting the standards of investigative journalis…

> Money is the best explanation for the PR push behind your email.

So your position is that Apple is pressuring NPR which is pressuring Chicago Public Media which is pressuring Chicago Public Radio which is pressuring Public Radio International which is pressuring This American Life to issue a retraction?

I really don't think This American Life needed much pushing to retract admitted falsehoods.

Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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Post by spwmoni »

beatle wrote: post #139
ceejayoz wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple was a sponsor of NPR in FY 2008 and 2009, and 2010. That's nice, but This American Life isn't made by NPR. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Radio_International > PRI is a major public media content creator and also distributes programs from many sources, competing with National Public Radio and American Public Media to provide programming to public radio stations.

note: brudgers is Mike Daisey's publicist.

Source on this? Sorry, but recent events have encouraged me to be more stringent about fact-checking.

Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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Post by bdunbar »

jbooth wrote: post #103
earthviaradio wrote: post #66

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I got into Planet Money during the GFC meltdown but more recently I've found the quality of their shows waning. They seem to be dumbing down topics (a recent show on the Greek debt crisis made out that the problem was essentially "office politics" between the ECB and the Greek government with no mention of the structural economic problems of the Euro experiment). For a deep dive on economics and politics from the lef…

NPR isn't supposed to be leftist, it's supposed to be journalism. That's what separates them from other outlets, they're either focused on advocacy (fox, currentTV) or entertainment (CNN, MSNBC).

It is not _supposed_ to be leftist, but that's sure the way they lean.

I hear this asked, once in a while, on WPR, when the station manager is on a call-in show in the morning: why do you guys program to the left. And the answer is (I'm paraphrasing) That's who our audience is, so that's what we program for.

Heck, last week he as much admitted as such when he noted that they focused more on politics since the election of Scott Walker (R) as governor, and they will focus less when he's out of office: that's what our audience expects.

Which is understandable: if they had a Rush Limbaugh kind of guy on they'd loose audience and see donations drop. Be nice if they just admitted it.

Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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Post by charlieok »

"I'm not going to say that I didn't take a few shortcuts in my passion to be heard [...] My mistake, the mistake I truly regret, is that I had it on your show as journalism, and it's not journalism. It's theater."

What kind of explanation is that? Public accusations should be supported by things like evidence and facts, “journalism” or not.

Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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Post by beatle »

beatle wrote: post #139
ceejayoz wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple was a sponsor of NPR in FY 2008 and 2009, and 2010. That's nice, but This American Life isn't made by NPR. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Radio_International > PRI is a major public media content creator and also distributes programs from many sources, competing with National Public Radio and American Public Media to provide programming to public radio stations.

note: brudgers is Mike Daisey's publicist.

note: it's a fabrication.

in the words of Mike Daisey: "I used a combination of fact, memoir, and dramatic license to tell a story"

Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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Post by beatle »

timr wrote: post #125
sequoia wrote: post #97

While reading Daisey's response[1], something jumped out at me: as a defense for "embellishing the truth" he says: "What I do is not journalism. The tools of the theater are not the same as the tools of journalism." Why does that defense (from a disgraced journalist) sound familiar? Oh yeah, David Pogue, when faced with serious charges of conflict of interest: "I am not a reporter. I’ve been an opinion columnist my e…

Yeah, but...Daisey really isn't a journalist. He's a playwright and an author. He does one-man shows off Broadway. As far as I know, he's never had any training in journalism, nor has he worked as a reporter. This is a case where I suspect that both parties were mis-interpreting the intent of the other party; This American Life does a lot of "artistic" work (e.g. nearly everything by David Sedaris, or David Rakoff),…

Wrong. Mike Daisey presented his lies AS FACTS to reputable news organizations.

Here’s a transcript of his appearance on the Ed Schultz show on MSNBC:

SCHULTZ: OK. What did you see?

DAISEY: I saw all the things that everyone has been reporting on. I saw under-age workers. I talked to workers who were 13, 14, 15 years old. I met people whose hands have been destroyed from doing the same motion again and again on the line, carpal tunnel on a scale we can hardly imagine.

SCHULTZ: Making Apple products?

DAISEY: Yes. And making products across the electronics industry. All our electronics are made in this fashion.

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