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Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by avithedev »

fnord77 wrote: post #134
dang wrote: post #20

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Well, yes, many sites are banned on HN. Others are penalized (see e.g. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ). None of this is secret, though we don't publish the lists themselves. Edit: about 67k sites are banned on HN. Here's a random selection of 10 of them: vodlockertv.com biggboss.org infoocode.com newyorkpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com moringajuice.wordpress.com surrogacymumbai.com max…

radio.com looks legit, what is wrong with it?

I have the same question

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by toofy »

xNeil wrote: post #86
chasing wrote: post #58

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I came to HN because it seemed to be a place of free dialogue. > It's certainly under no obligation to promote right-wing propaganda and hate. It's certainly under no obligation to promote any propaganda or hate. That's what makes the site great. The HN crowd is not your average layman - it's largely well read and educated people. Why not let them decide what is propaganda and what's not (as opposed to some arbitrary…

> …some arbitrary authority deciding…

something tells me the team here is anything but arbitrary. i can assure you, keeping a community this healthy at this scale is pretty incredible.

what you’re suggesting is to raise the noise and for the users to wade through noise hunting for signal.

what rises to the top here is so much better than any of the noisy sites. on those sites, by the time you find a signal, the information is usually amateur-hour tier. to use an idiom i heard yesterday, sites with little moderation are like searching for a hymen in a whorehouse.

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by dang »

renewiltord wrote: post #59
mutant_glofish wrote: post #53

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Well, unless surrogacymumbai.com is where we post right-wing news from, that's hardly a problem, eh?

I posted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37131212 before noticing that you'd already made the same argument - sorry! But I have to leave it up because penispowerworldwide.com makes me laugh.

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by yunohn »

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #111
stilwelldotdev wrote: post #6

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Test yourself, they link to their site from their profile and it's definitely delayed. https://twitter.com/nytimes

Just tried this - loaded almost instantly. But that's only the link in the profile. Not shared links in tweets. Leaning towards there's something else going on deep in the DNS/ad servers/cdn/who knows. Not the first I've seen/heard of resolving delays with t.co... maybe it's even just something with legacy non-SSL links being redirected etc

You’re really twisting yourself into a buzzword cloud there aren’t you?

The link you clicked in the NYT bio is not a t.co link - I assume you noticed that but still are using it as counter-proof?

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by dotancohen »

predictabl3 wrote: post #107
rhaksw wrote: post #73

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It is a secret if the system does not inform the poster it's been penalized.

There's a lot of user hostile moderation practices that occur on this site, manual and automatic. They're not often, or really at all, discussed. Some of them don't work well, and haven't for as long as they've existed.

I've twice had some "user hostile moderation practice" used against me on HN. Both times an email to the right person cleared it up - and one of those times in fact I had crossed a boundary that I shouldn't have crossed. Any long-time community member here knows what to do.

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by dang »

rhaksw wrote: post #82
mutant_glofish wrote: post #55

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> For example if spammers find out which sites are banned then they just post other ones. I don't think that makes sense. The supposed spammers can just try looking up whether their submissions show up or not when not logged in.

You're correct again. Spammers and bots are the most determined actors, so these secretive measures don't impact them. In fact, such secrecy benefits spammers. Good-faith users never imagine that platforms would secretly action content. So when you look at overall trends, bots, spammers and trolls are winning while genuine users are being pushed aside. I argued that secrecy benefits trolls in a blog post, but I don't…

If that were right, then HN would be overrun by spam.

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by dang »

zepolen wrote: post #158
dang wrote: post #41

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The word censorship has so many meanings that I have to ask what you mean by it before I can say whether I see it that way. Is it censorship that the rules of chess say you can't poke someone's queen off the board? We're trying to play a particular game here.

Censorship has a very defined meaning. To take the chess analogy, it would be like allowing one side to poke the queen off the board, and not allow the other. This is very much like what happens at HN today. You're dang right, trying to play a particular [rigged] game here.

What side do you feel is not allowed to play here?

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by sph »

mutant_glofish wrote: post #53
dang wrote: post #20

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Well, yes, many sites are banned on HN. Others are penalized (see e.g. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ). None of this is secret, though we don't publish the lists themselves. Edit: about 67k sites are banned on HN. Here's a random selection of 10 of them: vodlockertv.com biggboss.org infoocode.com newyorkpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com moringajuice.wordpress.com surrogacymumbai.com max…

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Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by wasmitnetzen »

yunohn wrote: post #164
ChrisArchitect wrote: post #111

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Just tried this - loaded almost instantly. But that's only the link in the profile. Not shared links in tweets. Leaning towards there's something else going on deep in the DNS/ad servers/cdn/who knows. Not the first I've seen/heard of resolving delays with t.co... maybe it's even just something with legacy non-SSL links being redirected etc

You’re really twisting yourself into a buzzword cloud there aren’t you? The link you clicked in the NYT bio is not a t.co link - I assume you noticed that but still are using it as counter-proof?

Both the nyti.ms link and nytimes.com are actually t.co links for me. First one was slow, second one was fast.

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by zoky »

dang wrote: post #20
mutant_glofish wrote: post #18

I think that HN itself also shadow flags submissions from a list of domains it doesn't like. Try submitting a URL from the following domains, and it will be automatically flagged (but you can't see it's flagged unless you log out): - archive.is - watcher.guru - stacker.news - zerohedge.com - freebeacon.com - thefederalist.com - breitbart.com

Well, yes, many sites are banned on HN. Others are penalized (see e.g. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ). None of this is secret, though we don't publish the lists themselves. Edit: about 67k sites are banned on HN. Here's a random selection of 10 of them: vodlockertv.com biggboss.org infoocode.com newyorkpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com moringajuice.wordpress.com surrogacymumbai.com max…

Well that explains why all those links I posted to maximizedlivingdrlabrecque.com never got any traction…
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