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Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by lemper »

lproven wrote: post #155
lemper wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

to be actually honest and without any speck of trolling, I am at the opposite. I am actually planning to build a workstation and get a redhat enterprise workstation license. the only problem, though, they only have annual subscription. what I want is: one off license (just like windows desktop) and supporting a business entity's ongoing effort to curate and improve Linux ecosystem. why not donating a certain amount o…

Leaving aside any question of "why?", you miss the core point here. > they only have annual subscription You are not buying the software. You cannot buy the software. All you can buy is a support subscription. That is what RH sells, not software.

what I want to buy is their updates.

and the chance to scream at their customer service. /j

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by Espionage724 »

marcosdumay wrote: post #107
Espionage724 wrote: post #43

Why would anyone use a server OS that's a fork of another server OS, provided by a group of 3rd-parties with their own competing enterprise distros? I'm sure there's a reason for it with all the discussions, but if I want to use CentOS, why wouldn't I just use CentOS Stream that RH is providing? If I want RHEL, I'll go get RHEL that afaik is also free. If I want to see the future of RHEL, there's Fedora Server. And i…

Because soon that will be the fork everybody will target,and the de facto standard. RHEL could have survived for a while in hostile mode if everybody was complacent (maybe making the entire thing profitable). But this is exactly people not being complacent. Anyway, you can bet there will be infighting once this is established. But well, the power that free software grants for people to misbehave is very limited.

Who is everyone? I imagine any serious business is paying for RHEL instead of an unheard of fork, and in my use if I wanted to change from Fedora Server I'd go to CentOS Stream, followed by RH with a free dev license.

I'm getting the vive that some people just want free RHEL, feel entitled to have it, and don't realize that actual RHEL is free within reason (apparently up to 16 simultaneous machines). Nobody remotely concerned about security is running a non-mainstream distro and public-facing services in an age of randomware and crypto.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by rurban »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #143
rurban wrote: post #131

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With dTrace and kernel live patching added

Are these features available out of the box or exclusive to Oracle?

dTrace is Oracle exclusive, as no one else bothered.

Ubuntu has live kernel patching also, but with a different technology. And it's called different.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by nolist_policy »

stockerta wrote: post #133
pelasaco wrote: post #103

As openSUSE user, the only answers that I care from SUSE are: - Are you going to kill Leap and Tumbleweed? - Are you going to handle the "community" as you do with the openSUSE community?

I loved SUSE for a long time, but their future plans for Leap had me looking elsewhere. They want to make the next Leap microOS bases, so a transactional immutable base. No thanks I don't need that. Moreover they want to kill yast for some web based stuff with way less feature.

That's news to me. Source?

MicroOS is and will be its own cool thing AFAIK. I'm guessing they will provide a MicroOS based on Leap in the future.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by lproven »

lemper wrote: post #161
lproven wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leaving aside any question of "why?", you miss the core point here. > they only have annual subscription You are not buying the software. You cannot buy the software. All you can buy is a support subscription. That is what RH sells, not software.

what I want to buy is their updates. and the chance to scream at their customer service. /j

Former RH staffer here.

I can tell you that even inside the company, everyone I knew who had the beginning of a clue ran Fedora. Only those with zero tech knowledge and who didn't want to learn ran RHEL... and they get it for free, obvs.

Probably some RH folk will now pop up to tell me I am totally wrong and it's all changed. That is 100% normal. You can ignore them. I do. ;-)

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by webstrand »

Espionage724 wrote: post #47
5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #37

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For me: yast (easy to use GUI/TUI for many administration tasks — useful for less experienced admins), snapper (filesystem snapshot management tool which automatically creates them before and after package management operations and allows you to boot into them or roll back if anything goes wrong. Quite similar to FreeBSD boot environments.) zypper is probably the best 'classic' package manager there is (although dnf…

I found YaST to get in my way at times; I particularly remember YaST's Network panel hanging because I had StevenBlack's huge HOSTS file. I do like the network panel though for changing static IPs; I had to do some searching to try to figure out how to do that on Fedora, and ended up using Cockpit instead (not sure how to do it cli). I'm confused on the differences in repo priority between zypper (oS TW) and dnf (Fed…

You can use OpenSuse without YaST, that's what I do myself.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by BossingAround »

lproven wrote: post #160
BossingAround wrote: post #134

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As far as open build service, Fedora has https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/

You seem keen to promote this, as you posted the same reply twice. It's not the same thing at all, or even very comparable, AFAICS. Your site produces a Fedora COPR. One of the people on the COPR team spent 10 min trying to explain to me what COPR meant at a Flock conference a few years ago. The actual answer is: "It's a PPA but for Fedora instead of Ubuntu." SUSE OBS does not build repos and it does not build openSU…

> You seem keen to promote this, as you posted the same reply twice.

The same point has been made twice, so the response is identical..?

> "It's a PPA but for Fedora instead of Ubuntu."

So I'm not sure the analogy holds 100%.

I, as a software developer, want to distribute my SW. I use COPR to build RPMs that run on any RPM-based distro, e.g. openSUSE, Fedora, RHEL, CentOS, ...

You, as the consumer, can enable the COPR repository and consume my packages (or you can manually download the RPMs if you prefer).

> OSB builds anything for any OS. It's basically a free public CI/CD server, and it's platform-neutral.

That is indeed different. Thank you, I might take a look at OSB.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by lproven »

BossingAround wrote: post #167
lproven wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem keen to promote this, as you posted the same reply twice. It's not the same thing at all, or even very comparable, AFAICS. Your site produces a Fedora COPR. One of the people on the COPR team spent 10 min trying to explain to me what COPR meant at a Flock conference a few years ago. The actual answer is: "It's a PPA but for Fedora instead of Ubuntu." SUSE OBS does not build repos and it does not build openSU…

> You seem keen to promote this, as you posted the same reply twice. The same point has been made twice, so the response is identical..? > "It's a PPA but for Fedora instead of Ubuntu." So I'm not sure the analogy holds 100%. I, as a software developer, want to distribute my SW. I use COPR to build RPMs that run on any RPM-based distro, e.g. openSUSE, Fedora, RHEL, CentOS, ... You, as the consumer, can enable the COP…

:-)

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by jzb »

jzb wrote: post #122
CaliforniaKarl wrote: post #79

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Leader? Citation needed. For example, LWN's most-recent report[0] on who contributed Linux kernel patches puts either three or four different companies above Red Hat, depending on if you're looking at changesets or lines changed. Regardless, if leadership is theirs to lose, then they're doing a good job of it. [0]: https://lwn.net/Articles/936113/

They’re the latter as far as paid Linux goes. Kernel contributions are only one metric / piece of a distro, and these days a lot of the code churn is hardware if I’m not mistaken. It makes sense that Red Hat has slipped because the big changes are in new support for hardware.

I should know better than reply on my phone. Leader not latter.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by davidw »

lproven wrote: post #159
davidw wrote: post #20

Hrm. Just going to keep sticking with Debian and Ubuntu like I've been doing since ... wow, 1997.

The first version of Ubuntu was 4.10 "Warty Warthog" in October 2004. I used Warty myself. But while Debian was around in 1997, Ubuntu was not.

That's correct. Ubuntu branched off of Debian at a certain point.
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