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When did Postgres become cool?

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Re: When did Postgres become cool?

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I think it's this: a group of well-intentioned, collaborative experts spent 30 years on a project.

It doesn't need an expensive website or loads of devrel or non-grassroots event management - those are what you do to simulate success until maybe you make it. It needs smart people over a long period of time.

Re: When did Postgres become cool?

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post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the early 2000s, MySQL was: - way easier to install - way easier to maintain (not vacuuming, etc) - and had a replication story. So you had startups which created their MVP on some shared webhost, which had MySQL and nearly non had pg. as those startups graduated into enterprise fame, they never left MySQL but instead fixed its problems along the way.

The mysql replication story was the big thing for me in the early/mid 2000s. Back then postgres replication seemed like every option was a brittle/incomplete 3rd party hack with different sets of tradeoffs. Postgres also had a reputation for being correct but slower. The perf differential disappeared a) as postgres got faster and b) mysql got more reliable/robust.

Isn't postgres replication still an issue? I didn't think there was a single solid solution yet.

Re: When did Postgres become cool?

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If you were paying attention, postgres always the better option, based on my experience starting around 2002 or so. MySQL had the better marketing in its name and was arguably a bit easier to get going from the start, but postgres was always more advanced and IMHO once you got past the most basic usage made a lot more sense in how it's configured. The fact that it was the M in the LAMP stack gave it a huge edge too.…

In the early 2000s, MySQL was: - way easier to install - way easier to maintain (not vacuuming, etc) - and had a replication story. So you had startups which created their MVP on some shared webhost, which had MySQL and nearly non had pg. as those startups graduated into enterprise fame, they never left MySQL but instead fixed its problems along the way.

But it was still a read-only database, which full table locking on writes. So just a toy.

Re: When did Postgres become cool?

#165

The only correct answer to this question is 2012-09-10, the PostgreSQL 9.2 release date. In that release they unveiled JSON datatypes, and developers were able to have their cake and eat it too. https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/postgresql-92-released... https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/What%27s_new_in_PostgreSQL_...

I thought exactly that, when postgres released json support, suddenly it was talked about everywhere

Re: When did Postgres become cool?

#166
post #51

I see a lot of comment reflecting on MySQL and oracle vs postgresql. Anyone with experience of MSSQL and PostgreSQL who'd like to comment on how it they compare?

My experience says that PG wins in the SQL language feature department. However IMHO MySQL still wins in operational efficiency and performance. These are things that only start to matter when you scale your database and most people never actually reach those sizes.

There already are a lot of mYsql comparisons; I think that was why the GP asked for an mSsql comparison.

Re: When did Postgres become cool?

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If you were paying attention, postgres always the better option, based on my experience starting around 2002 or so. MySQL had the better marketing in its name and was arguably a bit easier to get going from the start, but postgres was always more advanced and IMHO once you got past the most basic usage made a lot more sense in how it's configured. The fact that it was the M in the LAMP stack gave it a huge edge too.…

In the early 2000s, MySQL was: - way easier to install - way easier to maintain (not vacuuming, etc) - and had a replication story. So you had startups which created their MVP on some shared webhost, which had MySQL and nearly non had pg. as those startups graduated into enterprise fame, they never left MySQL but instead fixed its problems along the way.

It’s the same story as people building databases in Excel, while it’s small you want to look away from all the details so you choose a tool that doesn’t get in your way. Then when it grows and becomes unwieldy it’s difficult to migrate away because the data is a big mess and there is no model.

Postgres has the safety of the data as its utmost goal, while people will just rename genes because Excel automatically misinterprets them as dates.

Re: When did Postgres become cool?

#170

i used mysql for almost 20 years, since 3.23 and in the last 4 years i am exclusively using postgres (because of the hype and i thought i am missing out), and its not my cup of tea. i just love mysql's hackable storage engine (particularly the new lsmt engines), and i hate toast so much, not to mention the permission system which is so convoluted and it is so easy to shoot yourself in the foot. and of course it does…

curious - Postgres isn't hackable enough for you? I've found it much more amenable to changes in say, the storage engine, than mysql ever was.

it could be just that i am more comfortable with hacking mysql, or just the early design principles of early mysql makes it a more hackable (its easier to lose some characters from acid haha)

nothing against postgres, i just think its a bit overhyped and its also harder to squeeze it in the cloud's ridiculous iops prices

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