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The most interesting phenomenon revealed so far is that the room-temperature superconductor people and the generative-LLMs-are-God people draw on the same limited global pool of credulity, such that HN cannot be flooded with both ChatGPT worship and superconductor speculation at the same time.
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Lol thank you. That’s hilarious. Also, I think it kind of sucks that all that UFO reverse engineering didn’t yield a high temperature superconductor before this… but I guess what can you expect when you sequester away all your materials, silo your research and in effect keep your neural network of nodes (as scientists) really small. This open shit, as flawed and maybe annoying as it is to some people, I think it’s a…
Perhaps, but the reverse engineering efforts you mention may have already led to incredible breakthroughs over the past few decades. Lasers, integrated circuits, Kevlar, fiber optics, and more technologies were said to have been seeded among the research community based on recovered UAP components. This is based on Army Colonel Philip Corso’s account in his memoir, “The Day After Roswell”. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedi…
However, my view is now that all of the talk over advanced tech has actually been a propaganda/influence/information-warfare campaign to:
1) assert that gov/corp is in control when it's in fact not; pretend it's not at all challenged by superior species, not at all ignorant of 1000s-of-years-more-advanced-tech
2) cover up the ignorance, powerlessness and failure to make progress on RE crash materials, an embarrassing secret that seriously dents their mandate to rule
3) provide cover for the cover-up to continue in secret, trying to buy themselves "just a bit more time", "maybe the next crash is the one we'll finally crack it"
It's much easier to engineer a narrative (something the US is absolutely world-class fantastic at), than it is to engineer understanding and tech from advanced civilizations possibly millions of years advanced from us, while operating in oppressive secrecy.
This is not an attack on the US, they're just the most prominent. All countries have failed with this broken, deceptive, but understandably flawed and human strategy.
It's a controversial view because it flies in the face of decades of this influence campaign.
In short I believe that all "military insiders" coming forward to say they saw military successfully using/making UFO tech are liars part of this campaign. That includes, especially, Greer.^1
I think the current push is much more truthful--so far. It was said a couple times by Grusch and others that we may not have made progress. And suggested that the push is designed to get it out into the open where people can study it and make progress.
I don't think that noble and sensible push will win however. Folks inside the coverup will likely see this as just another "pressure release valve" we need to satisfy the public enough, let them work off some steam, then we can either: A) undermine it and discourage them from pursuing in future; or, B) we can let it all go away, and in the background scare lawmakers in the same way we've done for decades (show some evidence of something that frightens them, or is a national security threat, or personally intimidate them) and they'll do whatever we say.
One reason I have for believing this current push will lose is because the main bobbleheads in charge of getting it out: Knapp, Coulthart, Corbell and Zabel are changing their tune and now making noises in support of continued coverup. In ^0 and in a recent video by Pope:
- Nick Pope: folks aren't ready
- Zabel: fuck disclosure, just need confirmation
- Corbell: confirmation has already happened
- Ross & Knapp: secrets must be kept
I sure as hell hope not, but when you look at who we're up against: the secretkeepers have been doing this for nearly a century, and they've always won, and they believe they're right. To them this is probably a storm in a teacup, and it will take more than some grandstanding (good, but ultimately weak) politicians, and a bit of skeptical public interest, to blow the lid off.
I think if people want information they should try to contact ET themselves and figure it out for themselves. You can't count on the corporation to come through for you, and the government is captured by the corporation. That much is clear.
Treating gov/corp as a trusted intermediary/priest class who have access to "divine knowledge", and then desperately waiting for them like a "good dog" for treats, is just reinforcing the power dynamic of gov/corp control over citizen-subjects that itself is challenged by the awareness of ETs; and begging for such treats from such actors, when all they've done in the past is lied to and abused the public in this way, is a false hope and a flawed strategy.
I think the true way to fuck with the secrecy system is to cut out the middleman, rather than hoping a continuously-proving-itself-to-not-give-a-shit-about-the-public system is going to become benevolent and "evolve itself".
For insiders, it probably all makes perfect sense, and seems completely necessary and ethical. They have been and, until the technology's developed, will remain in, a constant state of war-time clandestine secrecy, with spies and traitors to that being executed essentially, and sophisticated counterintelligence operations continuously ongoing.
The war is over the most and only significant asymmetric advantage ever discovered by humanity. Successful acquisition and deployability would mean instant world domination, or so it's assumed. Compromise of this goal is, understandably to insiders, inconceivable and impossible. They are convinced that "losing" will mean the end of the world.
If I've been able to convince you of this, even a fraction, imagine how easy it is for insiders to convince themselves of this everyday. And imagine people that sure, that convinced they're right, ever going against anything they know, and revealing it? Not going to happen. The more we push, the harder they'll hold on and resist, sure of their goal. Like a dog a big stick.
For outsiders, it makes no sense at all. Essentially, to regular people today, these folks are stuck in a WWII mindset. Talking to them with their obsessive preoccupations with secrecy and war, would be comical and impossible for regular people to understand. Maybe they're right. Or maybe we are. No one will ever know, as long as the wall between both sides remains in place.
As long as this cover-up exists, the only thing we'll get is leaks and deliberate counterintelligence. I think Grusch is the former, and perhaps, he was merely the recipient of the latter. Who knows.
The saddest part for me is witnessing the degradation of American democracy, where the government is held hostage by a select group while simultaneously blamed for the secrecy, forming a perfect smoke screen. In this war, our governments are merely puppets, used as a shield by these clandestine groups, and the people, consequently, are left powerless. This silent surrender to covert entities significantly diminishes the credibility of our rulers.
0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2xSFMkmWg4
1: A difficulty is a lot of what they say is true, mixed in with the lies that we have made any progress on understanding or re-creating, alien UFO technology at all. When the reality is we have no progress understanding or re-creating it at all. So contrary to what all these people say, we have no anti gravity, no advance energy or propulsion, we have no advanced medicine or med beds. However, the truth about consciousness assisted technology and telepathic contact and inter/extra dimensionality, and the existence of illegal beyond-black unacknowledged special access programs, and so on is mixed in with his lies. That mix is classic disinfo I guess.
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The least interesting phenomenon revealed so far is that HN is split into a group who are entertained by watching and discussing emerging tech / science news, and a second group who are entertained by disparaging the first. I enjoy watching floating rocks and talking to computers.
Same with me, it gives me the same feeling of "Living in a science fiction world" that I once felt when cell phones or Google maps came out. Of course even tough I still use both profusely every day, the feeling of novelty wore out. I expect the same will happen with this.
It will probably be like this for us. The children will just take it for granted as they grow up with it, we will be endlessly amazed by it.
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Lol thank you. That’s hilarious. Also, I think it kind of sucks that all that UFO reverse engineering didn’t yield a high temperature superconductor before this… but I guess what can you expect when you sequester away all your materials, silo your research and in effect keep your neural network of nodes (as scientists) really small. This open shit, as flawed and maybe annoying as it is to some people, I think it’s a…
I’ve seen several tweets implying the gubberment is rushing out RTAPS to “cover up” the alien stuff
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It's so hard not to be crazy excited about the future. The past few months are proving to be an absolute breakout for the literal human race. So far we've seen: 1. in Dec 2022 We saw a fusion breakthrough seeing a net gain in energy 2. In March GPT-4 was released, which seems to be a seminal breakthrough in AI, and maybe of our first glimpse in what could become an AGI. 3. In May we find out apparently our government…
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Yeah the techbros have been the worst. Coffee guy went from saying the first DFT paper should deserve a Nobel to, "it's not a strong signal of anything" in 12 hours. WTF. All the actual scientists have been rock steady at, "it is probably not going to replicate," especially CMTC. Techbro speculation on physics should be considered harmful.
>All the actual scientists have been rock steady at, "it is probably not going to replicate," especially CMTC. Sinéad Griffin isn't an actual scientist? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin%C3%A9ad_Griffin Plenty of real scientists are excited by the DFT results while cautioning they are merely supporting evidence and not conclusive evidence.
If it produces unphysical nonsense, you can always say "You should have considered xyz!"
Computational chemistry inherently cannot consider everything we understand about chemistry or physics or consider beyond certain scales, so its accuracy and precision are limited. You have to constrain the space properly, which makes people a little dismissive.
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Same with me, it gives me the same feeling of "Living in a science fiction world" that I once felt when cell phones or Google maps came out. Of course even tough I still use both profusely every day, the feeling of novelty wore out. I expect the same will happen with this.
There was a line from the movie 'Ted', that film about a child's stuffed bear coming to life. It was something along the lines of "No matter how special and amazing something is, eventually people get bored of it and move onto something else." It will probably be like this for us. The children will just take it for granted as they grow up with it, we will be endlessly amazed by it.
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On a related note: I am deeply disappointed by how OpenAI has managed to continually dumb down ChatGPT. I’m sure the shortage of NVIDIA H100s and the demand for their APIs shooting through the roof has something to do with it. Perhaps they’ve switched to a quantized model? Who knows. And yes, LLaMA 2 is awesome. Progress is being made. But it’s slowed down. The novelty’s worn off. Now we’re lacking some fundamental p…
What makes you think we're lacking fundamental plumbing? I am personally still quite convinced it will simply take a bit of time and development to plug in the current AI into sufficient self-testing structures (basically the next versions of AutoGPT) and let it run long enough to map out an entire domain with accurate measurements. Seems more like just a matter of time and a bit of funding - but mostly inevitable an…
Like the current top HN post suggests (https://eugeneyan.com/writing/llm-patterns/), we’re still discovering patterns that work well with LLMs.
That said, anecdotally - they already excel at being logic engines. Capable of filling in the gaps between instructions. Using their worldly knowledge or “common sense” to do so.
But ever so often, they’ll miss an important bit. And I have to be quite involved to catch that. Kinda defeats the purpose. Here, I think we can benefit from supervisor LLMs. A second layer, whose sole job is to ensure the output quality. A QA bot - essentially.
The most interesting phenomenon revealed so far is that the room-temperature superconductor people and the generative-LLMs-are-God people draw on the same limited global pool of credulity, such that HN cannot be flooded with both ChatGPT worship and superconductor speculation at the same time.
As someone strongly in the first camp and not the second, this feels like a very odd observation. I despise generative LLMs and avoid using them at every opportunity. I'm also spending all my free time this week perusing arxiv preprints and Twitter threads. Make of my datum what you will. :)
why? it's just a tool.
despise how it was released, how it was trained, the people that operate it , whatever, but I can't really understand why someone would 'despise' a wrench -- even if it was used really poorly and produced by a shady company with a checkered past.