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Government URLs that don't end in .gov
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Re: Government URLs that don't end in .gov
#162Very odd indeed. In Australia, government departments almost always use .gov.au unless there are exceptional reasons. In the States, it is .[state].gov.au, eg .nsw.gov.au.
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it's under a cctld that clearly affiliated to and managed by that government. Maybe this is my latent American nationalism showing, but isn't .gov "clearly affiliated to and managed by" the US government? I think this bit was added as an edit or maybe I just missed it: > an inherently international .gov domain .gov is not inherently international for all the reasons in this subthread (and probably others as well)
I don't think thats clear at all. We have three people in this thread already confused on the issue. I think the poster wasn't talking of the US government but of knowing which government a domain is related to by just looking at it. ".gov" is not clear while ".gov.uk" is clear due to the ccTLD. > but isn't .gov "clearly affiliated to and managed by" the US government I would say no. What makes it clear to you?
> What makes it clear to you?
Load any name on the TLD, lol, what?
I understand the point you're arguing for, and mostly agree!, but the end-around is...weird.
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#164Sort of funny that the README never mentions which government they're talking about. Classic USA trying to make sure everyone knows they're the most important country in the history of planet Earth
The "About" section on the side mentions the USA specifically.
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
.gov is managed by the US government in the exact way you describe. There is nothing "inherently international" about it. It isn't meant for anyone outside of US government agencies.
Let's be specific though: .gov is available for any government within these United States, whether it be federal, state, local municipality, territorial, or tribal government. In fact, all major cities I just spot-checked have .gov domains. I wonder how many are clinging to . .us? At least as a CNAME? ...none of those which I just spot-checked. Plenty of exceptions abound, though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.gov#U…
The MBTA (transit authority) in MA in the US uses .com. (MA state government seemingly still uses .ma.us as well. And town.ma.us seems pretty standard in MA at least based on my town.
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#166I got an official email from New York State's Office Of The Comptroller with a link to osc.state.ny.us. It came from an email address @osc.ny.gov. I don't understand why they couldn't use an official TLD in the URL too.
.nyc is also a government TLD.
Not true, see https://www.ownit.nyc/
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#167I think it's particularly interesting that the US use .gov and not .gov.us (as a Brit). I'm sure there are oversights on who can acquire an inherently international .gov domain, but for example here in the UK .gov.uk domains have a strict application process [0] managed by central government. It just seems to me that it would be more secure, and more reassuring to citizens and visitors that they are on the correct si…
My guess is that it’s because the US built the thing, they decided .gov was to be for US Government sites. Then when other countries joined they got their own TLDs, which they added a .gov. to for their own purposes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.gov (Which seems to make my guess right, .gov is operated by the US Government)
Right, I assumed it was the same principle by which UK, having issued the first postage stamps, is the only country that doesn't say the country name on the stamp.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
My guess is that it’s because the US built the thing, they decided .gov was to be for US Government sites. Then when other countries joined they got their own TLDs, which they added a .gov. to for their own purposes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.gov (Which seems to make my guess right, .gov is operated by the US Government)
That was introduced in 1985, almost 40 years ago. For how many decades is this going to be a reasonable argument? In 100 years, will it still be reasonable for the USA to say "we built the thing, so it is appropriate for us to continue to be the default country in domain names. The rest of you must use your ccTLDs, but we remain special." In 200 years? The only non-pathetic option is for the United States to transiti…
Why do you think other government/country want to use an English abbreviation for their government entities ? Even for Latin language that use a similar word "gouv" (french), "gob" (spanish) or "guv" (romanian) would be more natural.
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here’s the reasonable argument: US citizens are now used to .gov domain names being solely used by US government entities. They won’t change it, nor should they, as forcing domain name changes will simply add confusion for Americans. Just because you don’t like that the US government has first mover advantage isn’t a good reason to change this.
I don't really think this is much of an issue. It's not like the change would happen immediately. Each .gov website is likely run by different agencies, so they wouldn't end up switching all at the same time. It's a pretty simple matter to register a corresponding .gov.us domain for each existing .gov domain. Then each .gov domain owner would have to configure their web server properly, and can phase in a redirect fr…
MS still hasn't gotten all of their users to transition to outlook.com in order to be rid of hotmail.com, which they bought in 1997.
Do you have the US Government doing it quicker? The only way it ever occurs is if they effectively CNAME .gov to .gov.us to run them both side-by-side.
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
This sounds like a decent idea until you realize that means one of two options: - A US Government controlled CA root preinstalled on computers. Privacy advocates would be in arms. - Constant untrusted CA warnings when trying to access any government site.
Have you seen the state of the root ca bundle? As far as I can tell it has every national CA except the US. Do you really trust the turkish government with the ability to sign for any domain. Some days I consider tearing out the whole thing and rebuilding with the 3 CA's I actually care about. but then I usually give up as too much hassle.
> Do you really trust the turkish government with the ability to sign for any domain.
No, but I don’t have to. To be included in the root CA list, they have to participate in cert transparency logging. So I can just pick a log to monitor, and check to make sure they haven’t issued a cert for one of my domains.