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The past is not true

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Re: The past is not true

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Post by dandanua »

philipov wrote: post #3

I think this story is meant to be uplifting to those who are troubled by their past, but to me, I just see all the politicians and grifters looking on hungrily like "Yeaaaaaah?"

Yeah, many corrupt politicians, fascists, murderers and other criminals would love the idea that "the past is not true". I'd bet that the story is fake because of the conclusion "you can change history". Both of them didn't change the history, they have changed their knowledge about history, which was given to them by third parties.

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Post by libraryatnight »

WA wrote: post #2

In an alternate universe: the lady couldn’t walk, got obese and died of a heart attack 10 years ago. So, the past isn’t true until it is and then, maybe, it’s even worse. Not sure what to make of this story.

It reads more like someone wrote it at 17 imagining what it'd be like to cripple someone and have this elaborate 'moment' where all is forgiven because nothing is real.

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Post by avgcorrection »

miiiiiike wrote: post #134

He did the right thing by seeking her out to apologize. The rest doesn’t hold water. “There’s a small chance that the chaos and ruin I’ve visited upon others may not be as bad as as those people made me think. Thanks, I knew my negligence/malice wasn’t that big a deal.” The worst people that I’ve ever met would love for that to be true. They’ll stab people in the back or work to damage people’s careers and when you c…

> “There’s a small chance that the chaos and ruin I’ve visited upon others may not be as bad as as those people made me think. Thanks, I knew my negligence/malice wasn’t that big a deal.”

> The worst people that I’ve ever met would love for that to be true.

It’s worse than that:

> > She said “that little accident” helped her pay more attention to her fitness, lose weight, and since then has been in better health than ever.

Re: The past is not true

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Post by sanderjd »

UncleMeat wrote: post #120

If you are interested in this topic but would like to understand how historians think about things, look into writing about Historiography and Historical Memory. This person appears to just be some guy who describes himself as an entrepreneur and TED speaker. The way we understand the past is a deep topic that is analyzed and discussed by actual professionals constantly . Better to read their writing than this kind o…

This comment reminds me a lot of XKCD "Ten Thousand" (https://xkcd.com/1053/). You don't need to denigrate the author's credibility to write about their personal experience and insight from it in order to provide a reference to the much deeper field of study on this to those who are interested. Personally, I had heard of "historiography" but had no idea this is what it meant. And now I do! And that wouldn't have happened today if this author hadn't published their little anecdote.

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Post by metacritic12 »

miiiiiike wrote: post #134

He did the right thing by seeking her out to apologize. The rest doesn’t hold water. “There’s a small chance that the chaos and ruin I’ve visited upon others may not be as bad as as those people made me think. Thanks, I knew my negligence/malice wasn’t that big a deal.” The worst people that I’ve ever met would love for that to be true. They’ll stab people in the back or work to damage people’s careers and when you c…

I think misanthropes aren't being enabled by articles like the above.

Many of them honestly don't care deep down about the damage they do.

Others like Mark Wahlberg just "forgive themselves" for blinding a neighbor as a teen, even if their actual victim doesn't forgive them, so they can feel better about themselves mentally. https://time.com/3623630/mark-wahlberg-pardon/

Re: The past is not true

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Post by mistermann »

bmacho wrote: post #53
thfuran wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people in other reference frames must just be simulations, so their experiences are invalid.

Lol. Nah, if we allow virtual experiences, than any model naturally becomes the block universe. I believe, that question of experience is still unsolved. Why do we seem to live in a world made of matter and governed by physics? Is it the same for people that are simulated in a computer? Is it the same for people that are not simulated by a computer (because it is plugged out)? How do they perceive if the data is mang…

Maybe I misunderstand, but could an alternate theory be that reality and the universe are not the same thing?

Re: The past is not true

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Post by brudgers »

miiiiiike wrote: post #134

He did the right thing by seeking her out to apologize. The rest doesn’t hold water. “There’s a small chance that the chaos and ruin I’ve visited upon others may not be as bad as as those people made me think. Thanks, I knew my negligence/malice wasn’t that big a deal.” The worst people that I’ve ever met would love for that to be true. They’ll stab people in the back or work to damage people’s careers and when you c…

Everyone is not among the worst people you (or I) have ever met.

Not needing to be told that they caused harm is one of the things that makes them not among the worst people you (or I) have ever met.

Sivers' parable is about his (and our) interpretations of the past -- Sive.rs publishes parables not facts. Context is relevant, here.

Yes, worst people gonna' worst people. Sociopaths are not Sive.rs audience. His point is that we can't change the past and only act in the present. What the worst people you (or I) ever met did can't be changed. How it affects are behavior can.

Particularly when the worst person you (or I) have ever met is you (or I). Biss-ninny 101 stuff. Which Sive.rs (and I) study.

Re: The past is not true

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Post by avgcorrection »

mistermann wrote: post #160
avgcorrection wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the concern, but I didn’t miss the point. There is no wisdom in extrapolating absolute statements from fringe coincidences.

> There is no wisdom in extrapolating absolute statements from fringe coincidences. What method did you use to determine this is comprehensively true, in fact , rather than simply intuition?

Just save us both the time and call me a hypocrite/inconsistent based on whatever figment you have in your mind.

Re: The past is not true

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Post by mistermann »

jvm___ wrote: post #14
ttonkytonk wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

History is true, but the history anyone knows is selective, a mental model, often guessed or interpreted, and usually secondhand information.

Reality is true, but the reality anyone knows is selective, a mental model, often guessed or interpreted, and usually secondhand information.

Is "the reality anyone knows" not also part of greater aggregate reality though (conflicting with reality is true), or is it an ontological component of something else?
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