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Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by nextos »

Aromasin wrote: post #140

Funny enough, I predicted this in a previous HZ comment 3 months ago when they cut their server systems business. > "My guess is that they're cutting the portfolio down to feature only chipsets and add-in cards. Just CPUs, GPUs, FPGAs, ASICs, networking. It makes sense if anything - it really focuses on their core business. No more side-projects with questionable profitability. In the last 2 years since Pat Gelsinger…

Sad news. NUCs could have been an excellent platform if they had tried to work a bit more on cooling.

On third-party cases, NUCs were great. But on stock cases, some models were too noisy. Still, they provided great value.

Nonetheless, I agree it's better for Intel to focus on their core business and leave this market to others. Some niche PC makers such as Cirrus7 offer great NUC-like systems.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by toast0 »

fatfingerd wrote: post #154
toast0 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we need Intel to release these, or can they just sell the chips to integrators like they do with other desktops and laptops?

I wish they had stayed out. People are talking about how they started this great market segment but mini-ITX was a real standard motherboard size started by VIA and thin mini-ITX would be more popular if Intel didn't just make whatever they wanted and set a precedent of consumer trash instead of components for this size class.

Mini-ITX is still alive, but it's a lot larger. Nano-ITX is more comparable, but I don't think there were very many systems based of it?

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by Patrick-STH »

throw0101a wrote: post #123
DesiLurker wrote: post #44

I call BS on them being not good market fit, Apple does totally fine with mac mini. also these are just laptops w/o screen and battery. IMO the real reason may be worries around minipcs finally getting good enough that they may cannibalize higher margin PC market. BTW there are other vendors like Beelink that make semi decent tiny computers and I have one of those as my teenage kids pc,works just fine.

> BTW there are other vendors like Beelink that make semi decent tiny computers and I have one of those as my teenage kids pc,works just fine. Serve the Home has an entire series on small systems: * https://www.servethehome.com/tag/tinyminimicro/

Yes. I think that is a solid NUC alternative with one exception: the lack of USB4/ Thunderbolt as standard. Intel was very good about including TB on its NUC line and also did a better job upgrading to 2.5GbE.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by _whiteCaps_ »

xgbi wrote: post #129
MongoTheMad wrote: post #91

Dell Optiplex 5050. Cheaper, bundled, and free year warranty. Power draw is about 6w. I have one as a k8s node and thinking about another.

The form factor is way bigger than a NUC that fits on a vga mount!

There's a bunch of different models of the 5050 (poor branding on Dell's part IMO). OP is probably talking about the micro version.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by chazeon »

jychang wrote: post #142
answiftydev wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would bet the majority of Mac minis sold are used as ci/cd servers for iOS and Mac development. I would also bet the Mac mini is the third lowest selling Mac with the Mac ultra and Mac Pro being the least.

I strongly suspect the iMac sells less than the Mac mini.

If you go to NYC, you will find a lot of iMacs on front desks.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by Patrick-STH »

adrian_b wrote: post #89
DesiLurker wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the one I have for my daughter is okay. gets the job done but wont use for gaming etc. I do however want to get the Beelink GTR7 [1]. that seems amply powered and decent build quality/noise level. 1. https://www.bee-link.com/beelink-gaming-pc-gtr6900hx-1994384...

Based on specifications, GTR7 and GTR7 Pro are the best computers with a volume less than 1 L. The only worries are the quality of the cooling and the noise. According to this review: https://www.servethehome.com/beelink-gtr7-changes-the-mini-p... it seems that from the point of view of the cooling and noise they are significantly improved over earlier Beelink models, so any of the two variants seems like a good choi…

I am not going ot post our own links, but last week we did the UM790 and we have the GTR7 Pro review coming as well.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by sleepydog »

That's a shame. I remember reading about the P14e laptop chassis. For me, it looked like the perfect laptop: 3:2 screen, ethernet port, trackpoint, decent battery. I didn't really care about the modularity. I could only find them for sale in bulk, or from a German company that re-branded them. I came this close to just buying a lot of 5 and trying to sell 4 on ebay, but I had a suspicion I would never be able to find parts for it if it broke, so I ended up buying a used T480 instead. It's over twice as heavy, but I think I made the right choice.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by synergy20 »

DesiLurker wrote: post #44

I call BS on them being not good market fit, Apple does totally fine with mac mini. also these are just laptops w/o screen and battery. IMO the real reason may be worries around minipcs finally getting good enough that they may cannibalize higher margin PC market. BTW there are other vendors like Beelink that make semi decent tiny computers and I have one of those as my teenage kids pc,works just fine.

Building systems(phone,pc,laptop) is Apple's core business, it's not Intel's.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by mschuster91 »

Aromasin wrote: post #140

Funny enough, I predicted this in a previous HZ comment 3 months ago when they cut their server systems business. > "My guess is that they're cutting the portfolio down to feature only chipsets and add-in cards. Just CPUs, GPUs, FPGAs, ASICs, networking. It makes sense if anything - it really focuses on their core business. No more side-projects with questionable profitability. In the last 2 years since Pat Gelsinger…

> It's sad to NUCs go, but it was inevitable.

No business decision is inevitable and we should stop acting otherwise.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by synergy20 »

toast0 wrote: post #162
fatfingerd wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish they had stayed out. People are talking about how they started this great market segment but mini-ITX was a real standard motherboard size started by VIA and thin mini-ITX would be more popular if Intel didn't just make whatever they wanted and set a precedent of consumer trash instead of components for this size class.

Mini-ITX is still alive, but it's a lot larger. Nano-ITX is more comparable, but I don't think there were very many systems based of it?

mini-itx, esp the low profile format, really should be way more popular, as you can manually upgrade it so easily yet it remains to be small in size, small but not smaller.
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