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Google search's death by a thousand cuts

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Re: Google search's death by a thousand cuts

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One of the applications I used to use on a daily was Google Reader. Then one day, they just shut it down for no apparent reason, and that was that. They don't seem to be focused on customer satisfaction. Hard to understand.

Take a look at Miniflux. Works amazing.

Thanks, I will.

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Google problem now is not Reddit nor Twitter. Google converted in just a brand with really awful results and full of AdWords campaigns where it is not clear what marketers are paying for. It seems like they need to return to the original Brin and Page paper [1]. Google continue to do amazing things (e.g. AlphaZero, Project Zero) may be in the same way as Xerox Parc did amazing things in the past but nothing really new cames from the organization. BTW Google Workspace (e.g. Sheets, Docs, etc) is a good competitor in the office space. Good business execution, the search in Google Drive is awful.

[1] https://research.google/pubs/pub334/

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> There are some tricks I learned on HN to use uBlock origin to filter these spam sites but Google really needs to fix this. Oh I did use ublacklist which mixes blocking in both of the google search and the google image search. But curious what is the filter you have in your uBlock origin?

I'm not OP, but here is my own uBlock filter with hundreds of GitHub/StackOverflow copycats: https://github.com/quenhus/uBlock-Origin-dev-filter

thanks

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Google has lots of smart employees, why can't they just "fix" search?

Because what Google considers a good search result is not what users consdier a good search result.

Why is every search result for even the simplest yes/no question a 1500 word article with 2-3 picture and an embedded video? Because that's what Google thinks is a good search result!

Google penalises your search ranking if users quickly navigate away from your page - this means if you have a page that quickly an efficiently answers a searchers question you get penalised whilst the site that buries the answer two thirds of the way through pure blog spam gets rewarded.

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> Pinterest Kagi recently released a leaderboard for per-domain customization: https://i.imgur.com/ViLamx7.png They are 2nd for "lowered" and first for "blocked".

Kagi is amazing but the costs are very non-negligible. :F

I agree, but then I have very few subscriptions, so there's space in the budget ;)

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This is Google's inability to innovate. Google stated goal was the "organize the world's information". Nevertheless, they didn't come up with Wikipedia, the highest quality curated human-readable information repository. They also didn't come up with ChatGPT, arguably the first LLM good enough that can perform non trivial tasks of data recall and organization. Google had early success with search. Then decided to ceme…

>Nevertheless, they didn't come up with Wikipedia, the highest quality curated human-readable information repository.

Wikipedia was good before the culture wars got to it.

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The moment I saw the term "SEO" it was like a stopwatch ticked on until search was dead. It used to be frowned upon to do little tricks, like keywords in a tiny, transparent font picked up by crawlers, but not seen by users. When gaming search engines became a profession, the end of search appeared on the horizon. Guess we're headed back to web rings and link indexes (which will be consolidated, heavily monetized, an…

Yes. We can point to the exact moment in time when Google turned to the dark side. It was on August 9, 2006, when Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google, addressed the Search Engine Strategies conference.[1] This was the moment that SEO, now officially endorsed by Google's CEO, became respectable. Until then, SEO was considered to be a branch of the spam industry. There were conferences such as the Web Search Spam Squashing Sum…

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Totally. Advertising is fundamentally about distracting someone so you can put money in your pocket without regard to the impact on that someone. I have a lot of complaints about, say, McDonald's, but they make their money through giving people something of value to them. Advertising legitimizes the making of money in a way unrelated to value delivery. (The same is true about a lot of finance.) When you combine that…

Aren't McDonald's one of the biggest advertisers in the world? They sell poor quality food on the basis of brand recognition.

That's unrelated to the point GP is making. The point is that they are not incentivized to put poison into burgers to get money from the poison industry.

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Doing planetary science, I used to be in the habit of searching for image IDs on google. Usually particular orbital images of the moon which had been mentioned in a paper. There are of course specific archives to search for this stuff, but google used to give surprisingly good results. Now I get literally zero results when I search an image ID. What changed? Did they remove their index of the Planetary Data System? D…

My suspect is BERT and semantic search. Before it most word embedding models were monolingual and non contextual, so they were not useful for search. So Google had to use inverse indexes and an algorithm fine tuned for years.

With BERT they can have a model to embed all the search queries for 99.99% languages and works sort of fine for 99% of the queries, so they are fine with that as well.

It would have been sort of easy detecting that a query works better with the previous index than the new one, but it seems that they decided against that. So we lost a lot of usefulness, like phone number search.

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The moment I saw the term "SEO" it was like a stopwatch ticked on until search was dead. It used to be frowned upon to do little tricks, like keywords in a tiny, transparent font picked up by crawlers, but not seen by users. When gaming search engines became a profession, the end of search appeared on the horizon. Guess we're headed back to web rings and link indexes (which will be consolidated, heavily monetized, an…

I am trying something different that might work for you with aisearch.vip The challenge will be staying true to not showing ads, respecting user privacy, and not requiring a subscription. So far, the only thing that works is free daily quota + pre-paid

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