I find it funny how everyone is suddenly a Russian foreign policy expert. Given the fog of war, I am taking a wait and see approach.
Especially where politics is proscribed. No exercise or training allowed but lets go sprint on race day!
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Sorry, I ran out of fucks somewhere in the middle of COVID. Them nuking their own army/PMC themselves would be small price if that ended Ukraine's conflict > Let's not participate in the vilification of the Russian people. I'm vilifying their leadership. But I'm still amazed there is no revolt there
>I'm villifying their leadership. Do you think the nukes would hit the Kreml? Or potentially millions of innocent civilians?
Nope, I'd think that if ever something so bizzare would happen it would be tactical nuke targeted at bigger gathering of wagner forces. Little hitler at power there wouldn't care of a village or two got wiped if alternative was coup succeeding.
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At what point are the citizens of a country responsible for what the country's military is doing? Note: not advocating for a nuclear genocide, but I do feel that citizens become culpable if they are allowing their country to stop on others and they aren't protesting or emigrating (if possible)
Well, avoiding the deeper philosophical waters, I would say whatever responsibility is there would depend on how democratic the country is. Russia is very far from being a functioning democracy at the moment. Sure they have elections, but they're likely partially fixed, freedom of the press is a joke, political protest is punished harshly(typically with violence), and opposing political candidates are prosecuted on f…
I was never talking about hitting any population centers, just using the weapons, that's entirely your misunderstanding.
Also russia is already far on genocide scale looking by their actions in current war
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> Let's not participate in the vilification of the Russian people Sure. But let also admit that the support for Ukrainian war and actual ongoing genocide in Ukraine is high in Russia.
Sure, but let's also not pretend the average Russian has unfettered access to independent media.
They haven't started killing people for using VPNs yet so I think more correct statement is that they are too stupid to look for that access, or too ignorant or brainwashed to keep believing official propaganda.
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>I'm villifying their leadership. Do you think the nukes would hit the Kreml? Or potentially millions of innocent civilians?
At what point are the citizens of a country responsible for what the country's military is doing? Note: not advocating for a nuclear genocide, but I do feel that citizens become culpable if they are allowing their country to stop on others and they aren't protesting or emigrating (if possible)
At the point where they go to war for their tyrant instead of toppling it down.
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#166@dang anything mentioning Wagner group is being flagged off the main page, I could see why some people would react that way when there’s a 20 articles shared about the same thing in an hour, but it’s a bit disturbing that there’s currently zero articles on the front page about this
The main page is heavily curated by dang and only features what he likes. For actual popular content I just go to /active
thanks! I didn't know about that
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Sure, but let's also not pretend the average Russian has unfettered access to independent media.
They haven't started killing people for using VPNs yet so I think more correct statement is that they are too stupid to look for that access, or too ignorant or brainwashed to keep believing official propaganda.
I don't think it's more correct. But if you wanted to keep arguing for the sake of it, I agree that's the point you'd make. Good job. "Unfettered access" now means "can use a VPN without being killed for it". Sure.
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Quit using HN for general news. Go to your favourite news website, they all have a live section about this unfolding event. I could not care less what software engineers have to say on the matter.
I mean, I get your point that others programmers are not usually were I go for political wisdom. But it's not like mainstream news website have a better alternative for discussion either. Their comment sections tend to be completely saturated with far right incel fanaticism and low brow outrage. HN, at least, is not that.
Yeah and what's wrong with techies?! We're a pretty smart bunch I like to think ;)
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> defect to Ukraine I don't see that happening.
Me currently neither. But this seems to be his only choice, where he would go on living. I am sure, there are secret negotiations taking place behind the scenes. But he knows, that he will confirm in the eye of the russian public, that he is a traitor then. But officially he already is and his loyal forces can never take Moscow.
It gets pretty weird, apparently there is now some kind of deal where he gets to abscond to Belarus and Wagner soldiers will be placed under regular Russian command.
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Me currently neither. But this seems to be his only choice, where he would go on living. I am sure, there are secret negotiations taking place behind the scenes. But he knows, that he will confirm in the eye of the russian public, that he is a traitor then. But officially he already is and his loyal forces can never take Moscow.
It gets pretty weird, apparently there is now some kind of deal where he gets to abscond to Belarus and Wagner soldiers will be placed under regular Russian command.
Yes, I totally did not see that coming.
I still would be surprised, if Prigoshin would die of natural causes.
In either case it shows how weak Putin is, that he has to let him go, after they did an armed uprising.