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Re: An open-source mouse and trackpad utility for Mac

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Post by ktosobcy »

copperx wrote: post #104
ktosobcy wrote: post #100

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Why would you need a mouse when using macOS trackpads? Before switching to MBP (about 10 years ago) I couldn't fathom using trackpad but then after a couple of days of usage I was so hooked up and it _felt_ so natural than I can't imagine using mouse nowadays...

While I agree that Mac trackpads are fantastic, there's still a need for variety. For some reason, I don't feel at home using a trackpad in certain programs, such as Photoshop. The Magic Mouse feels better in that scenario, like I have a little more control. For general computer use and coding, I prefer the trackpad.

Ah, YMMV. I don't do any graphics/precise movement - mostly coding/shell/typing) and in this case trackpad is simply excellent - movement is precise and it's perfectly handy/accessible.

Re: An open-source mouse and trackpad utility for Mac

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Post by ktosobcy »

eviks wrote: post #123
ktosobcy wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you need a mouse when using macOS trackpads? Before switching to MBP (about 10 years ago) I couldn't fathom using trackpad but then after a couple of days of usage I was so hooked up and it _felt_ so natural than I can't imagine using mouse nowadays...

Because mouse has more buttons and can use better gestures and rocking clicks to go back and forth

I did use a lot of gestures (especially in browsers, Opera from 10-15 years ago?) but with trackpad you have virtually the same? Single tap=left click, two-fingers tap = right click, cmd+tap = middle click. Two fingers swipe left/right = navigate forward/backward?

Re: An open-source mouse and trackpad utility for Mac

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Post by tambourine_man »

eviks wrote: post #153
tambourine_man wrote: post #152

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“My circle company” is cute. What I’m trying to convey here is that, while I hate Windows' mouse acceleration, to the point of being almost unusable to me, I don’t go on forums ranting about how ridiculous the amount of tweaking the OS requires to be usable. There are fortunately other choices that fit my sensibilities much better. Why try to bend Microsoft to my particularities, especially when there are billions of…

But you're doing even worse - you go on forums ranting about people criticizing legitimate OS deficiencies! > Why try to bend Microsoft to my particularities Many reasons, but specific to this conversation: because it's not a square! Tweakability of these things is part of "essence" of a general purpose OS, so that's the flaw of your analogy, and why you have to resort to generic analogies instead of explaining how a…

>…legitimate OS deficiencies!

That’s where we differ.

>…instead of explaining how a specific tweak is bad

I have, but I’ll try one last time. Could Apple build an industry leading tiling window manager? Perhaps. Would that please most of its users? Probably not. Would it delay other more pressing demands? Surely.

Re: An open-source mouse and trackpad utility for Mac

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Post by eviks »

ktosobcy wrote: post #162
eviks wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because mouse has more buttons and can use better gestures and rocking clicks to go back and forth

I did use a lot of gestures (especially in browsers, Opera from 10-15 years ago?) but with trackpad you have virtually the same? Single tap=left click, two-fingers tap = right click, cmd+tap = middle click. Two fingers swipe left/right = navigate forward/backward?

What about 2-4 side mouse buttons? What about wheel left/ right motion? What about optional infinite scroll?

Re: An open-source mouse and trackpad utility for Mac

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Post by eviks »

tambourine_man wrote: post #163
eviks wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you're doing even worse - you go on forums ranting about people criticizing legitimate OS deficiencies! > Why try to bend Microsoft to my particularities Many reasons, but specific to this conversation: because it's not a square! Tweakability of these things is part of "essence" of a general purpose OS, so that's the flaw of your analogy, and why you have to resort to generic analogies instead of explaining how a…

>…legitimate OS deficiencies! That’s where we differ. >…instead of explaining how a specific tweak is bad I have, but I’ll try one last time. Could Apple build an industry leading tiling window manager? Perhaps. Would that please most of its users? Probably not. Would it delay other more pressing demands? Surely.

You haven't tried the first time, you've just again ignored the tweak in question, which was mouse acceleration

And you ignored that Apple fixed that deficiency, so you also differ with the company, whose bad choices you're defending

And of course you wouldn't be be able to explain what other pressings demands for most users such a simple tweak would block

Re: An open-source mouse and trackpad utility for Mac

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Post by fatboy »

idle_zealot wrote: post #149
fatboy wrote: post #137

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Could you post that script somewhere for us? I'd be interested to see if there are annoyances I'm just living with in there.

Sure. It's definitely opinionated, but perhaps our opinions align! https://gist.github.com/idle-z/7fc3d3950b02c441ab522a094e5f4...

Thanks!

Re: An open-source mouse and trackpad utility for Mac

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Post by tambourine_man »

eviks wrote: post #165
tambourine_man wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>…legitimate OS deficiencies! That’s where we differ. >…instead of explaining how a specific tweak is bad I have, but I’ll try one last time. Could Apple build an industry leading tiling window manager? Perhaps. Would that please most of its users? Probably not. Would it delay other more pressing demands? Surely.

You haven't tried the first time, you've just again ignored the tweak in question, which was mouse acceleration And you ignored that Apple fixed that deficiency, so you also differ with the company, whose bad choices you're defending And of course you wouldn't be be able to explain what other pressings demands for most users such a simple tweak would block

I wasn’t discussing mouse acceleration, but it’s just the same. The acceleration curve hasn't changed since 1984, to the best of my knowledge. I don’t see Mac users complaining. Should Apple expend effort to accommodate ex-Windows users? It’s not my call, but I don’t think they should.

Regarding the pressing demands, how about a notification system that’s not a compete UX joke or a reliable and simple file sharing solution that doesn’t require the user to be aware of the SMB or SSH protocols? I could spend the whole day listing lower hanging fruits than meeting the particularities of ex-Windows users.

The number of system developers with deep knowledge of macOS, Swift/ObjC and willing to live in Cupertino is surprisingly small. It’s a very limited resource and it shows, given the number of years some glaring bugs survive with macOS every release.

Re: An open-source mouse and trackpad utility for Mac

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Post by ktosobcy »

eviks wrote: post #164
ktosobcy wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did use a lot of gestures (especially in browsers, Opera from 10-15 years ago?) but with trackpad you have virtually the same? Single tap=left click, two-fingers tap = right click, cmd+tap = middle click. Two fingers swipe left/right = navigate forward/backward?

What about 2-4 side mouse buttons? What about wheel left/ right motion? What about optional infinite scroll?

I never used those? I usually preferred keyboard shortcuts so laptop (MPB) with hands on the keyboard + occasional use of touchpad for "movement" was more than enough?

Re: An open-source mouse and trackpad utility for Mac

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Post by eviks »

tambourine_man wrote: post #167
eviks wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You haven't tried the first time, you've just again ignored the tweak in question, which was mouse acceleration And you ignored that Apple fixed that deficiency, so you also differ with the company, whose bad choices you're defending And of course you wouldn't be be able to explain what other pressings demands for most users such a simple tweak would block

I wasn’t discussing mouse acceleration, but it’s just the same. The acceleration curve hasn't changed since 1984, to the best of my knowledge. I don’t see Mac users complaining. Should Apple expend effort to accommodate ex-Windows users? It’s not my call, but I don’t think they should. Regarding the pressing demands, how about a notification system that’s not a compete UX joke or a reliable and simple file sharing so…

You see Mac users complaining, they are right here in this thread, you just choose to dismiss the complaints. Just like you again ignored that Apple also disagrees with you since they fixed this bug

And you haven't explained the most important thing- the blocking part, "resources are limited" gives you nothing of substance at this level, you actually need to know the amount of effort involved. How much time is needed to expose a different mouse curve? Would a better notification system be developed within that time?

Re: An open-source mouse and trackpad utility for Mac

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Post by cpleppert »

programmertote wrote: post #55
c-hendricks wrote: post #17

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What do you use it for? I use a non-Apple keyboard and just switched the options / command key in System Settings.

Newbie Mac user here. I just did what you suggested (I believe it's basically what's suggested in this article: https://9to5mac.com/2016/03/17/how-to-remap-windows-keyboard... ), but I don't think Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V works on browsers; I still have to use Alt+C and Alt+V to copy paste when using Chrome/Firefox browsers whereas Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V works in PyCharm. What am I missing? Thank you in advance for your suggesti…

The mac doesn't use ctrl modifiers to use copy paste. If you remapped Alt/option and windows/command keys on a windows keyboard alt-c & alt-v (i.e. the keys to the right/left of the spacebar) would be recognized as cmd-c and cmd-v on the mac. PyCharm supports a windows and linux keybinding that lets you use ctrl-c and ctrl-v to copy paste but the mac generally uses the cmd key as opposed to the ctrl key. If you want to use ctrl-c and ctrl-v you can remap both of those pretty easily using karabiner elements to cmd-c and cmd-v.
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