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Post by nulld3v »

redroyal wrote: post #135
DreamFlasher wrote: post #93

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Fullack. Returned my framework laptop because of 3 hours battery life (streaming Netflix, measured multiple times), the 747 sound (customer support told me "works as expected"), and if I want to fry eggs I have other devices for that. I'd say "there's room for improvement".

I’m not a fan. Thinkpads have had magnesium enclosures since 2000. I don’t like the framework design or philosophy. You’d have to be insane to buy an Intel laptop for the same money as an ARM Macbook. This reusable thing doesn’t make a bit of sense to me either. Do you really want to be using a 10 year old chassis with new parts? What’s the point of trying to save the environment when the other 8 billion could care l…

> This reusable thing doesn’t make a bit of sense to me either. Do you really want to be using a 10 year old chassis with new parts?

The chassis is replacable. You simply order a new chassis, pop the main board out of the old chassis and put it into the new one.

> What’s the point of trying to save the environment when the other 8 billion could care less?

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Post by teki_one »

fragmede wrote: post #85
bboygravity wrote: post #45

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What's the alternative high quality laptop in that price-range though? A Dell XPS that comes with a lose trackpad, massive coil whine, batteries that drain when plugged in and so on? Or an LG Gram Pro (more expensive than Framework) that isn't sold outside of the US and maybe some Asian countries where the only thing you can upgrade is the SSD? Or maybe some Apple laptop? I personally feel the price of a Framework is…

A Thinkpad T16 is going to be under $1,600.

Don't forget to check the screens on Lenovo laptops. Their prices, other specs and keyboards are usually good, but then the display is either low res or dim.

The T16 comes with the following display in Australia: 16.0" WUXGA (1920 x 1200), IPS, Anti-Glare, Non-Touch, 45%NTSC, 300 nits, 60Hz

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Post by nightski »

acyou wrote: post #147

Me and many of my friends all have zombie Frankenstein desktops that perfectly illustrate why the Framework laptop both does and doesn't make sense. I can understand why people with money to burn might not understand the limitations of trying to make a modular architecture work over the long term. Back in the day, dropping in an SSD represented a massive, relatively inexpensive upgrade. But, a desktop has cross-compa…

For a second there I thought I was reading boomer news instead of hacker news. I kid, but honestly there are plenty of us that still upgrade our systems piecemeal. I'm always buying new parts. Partly because I like having the latest stuff, but also because I love handing down parts to my family members which end up being huge upgrades for them.

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Post by 111111IIIIIII »

LoganDark wrote: post #127
111111IIIIIII wrote: post #113

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Oh my god. How and why is it so affordable? Knowing that, I hope they offer a higher resolution screen someday.

> How and why is it so affordable? Doesn't have a GPU.

Ha. There it is. Thanks. Still really awesome though, because I suppose you can always add a GPU.

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Post by [deleted] »

yepguy wrote: post #142
hellcow wrote: post #131

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Yup! Here's an image of it: https://twitter.com/FrameworkPuter/status/164837189206213017... A split and thumb clusters would make it perfect, but I'll take what I can get.

A split and/or tilt is mandatory IMO. Without it, ortholinear keyboards are even less ergonomic than a regular staggered keyboard.

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Post by 111111IIIIIII »

hellcow wrote: post #131
111111IIIIIII wrote: post #105

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Is this real? I've gone without a laptop for 6 months now due to RSI. If this is real, I might actually cry.

Yup! Here's an image of it: https://twitter.com/FrameworkPuter/status/164837189206213017... A split and thumb clusters would make it perfect, but I'll take what I can get.

Oof, yeah hopefully they realize that and redesign it as 2 halves.

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Post by whazor »

acyou wrote: post #147

Me and many of my friends all have zombie Frankenstein desktops that perfectly illustrate why the Framework laptop both does and doesn't make sense. I can understand why people with money to burn might not understand the limitations of trying to make a modular architecture work over the long term. Back in the day, dropping in an SSD represented a massive, relatively inexpensive upgrade. But, a desktop has cross-compa…

Laptops are more vulnerable. They are more likely to need replacement fans, new display, new keyboard.

For a mainboard upgrade, it might make sense if two generations ahead is seriously better. For example, 13th gen i5 is outperforming the 12th gen i7. The i5 mainboard costs 450$ and the i7 1000$, so if you can wait for two new generations it would be worth it.

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Post by 111111IIIIIII »

seanhunter wrote: post #154
yepguy wrote: post #142

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A split and/or tilt is mandatory IMO. Without it, ortholinear keyboards are even less ergonomic than a regular staggered keyboard.

They’re just keys - you can remap the middle ones to be your enter, tab, backspace and escape. That’s basically what I do with my Planck layout. https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/tree/master/keyboards/pl...

In the pic, the ortholinear keyboard is not the full width of the 16", so it wouldn't be anymore split than your tiny planck. A full-width ortholinear with excessive keys would be another story.

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Post by 111111IIIIIII »

scarface_74 wrote: post #118
111111IIIIIII wrote: post #108

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Why own a macbook when you could just have a non-Mac desktop instead?

Because a desktop isn’t portable? When I go into either one of my corporate offices (rarely) or a client’s office, it’s nice to be able to just plug my laptop in the night before and not have to worry about a finding any place to plug it in during the day, going back and forth between conference rooms, etc. I also go home to see my parents for a couple of weeks sometimes and work from there. And I realize this is a v…

> Because a desktop isn’t portable

It almost sounfs like you knew the answer to your question the entire time.

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Post by 111111IIIIIII »

rtpg wrote: post #140
111111IIIIIII wrote: post #102

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Can you name a laptop that meets your expectations and lets me connect an external GPU? (not for gaming)

The intel Macbook Airs let you plug in an eGPU.

Yes, and there is no excuse for why mac silicon does not
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