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French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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post #55
post #17

As others have mentioned, context matters a lot. The arrested group came back from Syria (where they fought alongside YPG against ISIS) radicalised, and were monitored ever since then. Their alleged crime isn't using Signal, it's just that a French anti-terrorism law allows to be arrested for "organisation with the intent to commit terrorist acts", which the DGSI(internal intelligence services) claims a radicalised g…

> As others have mentioned, context matters a lot. No, it does not. While this group is indeed suspicious, detaining them without a proof (and using whatsapp as your proof) opens a serious precedent. Now anyone can be detain for that. And it'll be used for serious suspicious cases later but also will be used against someone like you because someone in the police didn't like how you walk.

> opens a serious precedent

Of note for US readers, France legal system is not a jurisprudential system as in the US. That is, a judge's ruling does not become law - i.e must be followed as law by another judge -, only parliament can make law.

The only instance having a form of jurisprudence power is Cour de Cassation, but that's only indirect: being the ultimate instance of recourse CCass rulings for similar cases have high chances of having similar outcomes. They may (or may not) influence other court rulings but a) they are not law and b) reaching to CCass is not guaranteed, so other courts judges are completely free to rule differently (as long as they abide by law)

That said, holistically these precedents matter as they may give broad strokes on mindset trends from the powers at play.

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

#162
post #10

"radioactive materials can be used to make bombs, let's ban them altogether" "knifes can be used to stab people, let's ban them altogether" "cleaning supplies can be used to poison people, let's ban them altogether" #logik also, potential = guilty until proven innocent

The British Medical Journal beat you to it:

The Home Office is looking for ways to reduce knife crime. We suggest that banning the sale of long pointed knives is a sensible and practical measure that would have this effect.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC558080/

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

#166
Most people want a simple answer to complex questions, the truth is that the French government is hundreds of people. Some sponsor e2ee projects to protect the people, while others consider use of such projects to be indicators of terrorism. Not the only indicators of course, but definitely something investigators might react to.

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

#167
post #12

I guess technically everyone is a potential terrorist

Someone who doesn't have a smartphone should be shot on sight - he must be a terrorist for sure.

A French judge managed to sentence some guy for not giving to the police the access codes to his phone.

He had no phone...

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

#168
post #55
post #17

As others have mentioned, context matters a lot. The arrested group came back from Syria (where they fought alongside YPG against ISIS) radicalised, and were monitored ever since then. Their alleged crime isn't using Signal, it's just that a French anti-terrorism law allows to be arrested for "organisation with the intent to commit terrorist acts", which the DGSI(internal intelligence services) claims a radicalised g…

> As others have mentioned, context matters a lot. No, it does not. While this group is indeed suspicious, detaining them without a proof (and using whatsapp as your proof) opens a serious precedent. Now anyone can be detain for that. And it'll be used for serious suspicious cases later but also will be used against someone like you because someone in the police didn't like how you walk.

Fighting for a foreign nation and/or mercenaries is illegal in itself

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

#169

this article miss a whole part of the story. among other things, these person came back from a warzone. looks at https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_du_8_décembre_2020

Very interesting; it looks like these people went to Syria to fight ISIS, and got this ill treatment when they returned. Why does it seem like the French government is always supporting the worst actors in any conflict? ISIS is (was) so evil and barbaric, they make Putin seem like a great guy. Why would volunteering to fight them ever be seen in a bad light?

Do you really think France supports ISIS ? Did you live in a cave in 2015 ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2015_Île-de-France_att...

Fighting for a foreign nation or mercenaries is illegal, no matter if you're fighting the "bad guys"

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

#170
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have not been dissolved because they left their phone at home, they have been dissolved because it was a violent organisation that was systematically attacking the police and destroying property. And given the sort of stuff they brought to their protests: swords, machettes, baseball bats, jerrycan, bricks, fireworks, petanque balls, Molotov cocktails, fire bombs, etc, it is particularly disingenuous to pretend t…

> …, petanque balls, … While I won't argue with the fact that these are indeed formidable missiles, it does make for a unique French touch.

> "Eh Roger, tu tire ou tu pointe sur le CRS !?"
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