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French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Post by tzs »

coldtea wrote: post #101
JCharante wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why shouldn't crimes perpetrated by lower and middle class be persecuted? The rich already pay a disproportionately large amount of taxes and then society excuses lower and middle class persons from paying their small share of taxes.

> The rich already pay a disproportionately large amount of taxes How do people come up with these ideas? Related to their income and overall wealth they pay disproportionate embarassingly little. The "disrpoportionate" also includes well paid employees in the top 10%, but not the real 0.1% "owning" class. And above a few million worth, the actual money earned per year is usually obscured by all kinds of schemes, of…

You and he are talking about different things. Let's take a concrete example: me and Donald Trump.

In 2018 Trump's federal income tax was over 100x what mine was. But as a percentage of our respective incomes he paid 4.1% and I paid about 10%.

He's talking about the amount, you are talking about the percent of the taxpayer's income.

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Post by 29083011397778 »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #68
l5870uoo9y wrote: post #11

You can without a doubt take this even further and train it to detect all sorts felonies. The felonies will mainly be simple ones that perpetrated by the lower and middle class. Builder working without a bill? Crosscheck income with an country wide average and their spending history. Nailed. Waitresses working without paying tax? Crosscheck size of establishment with formally employees. Nailed. Of course, this not on…

This degenerates into worse subjective and discriminatory systems Just think of traffic cops on the highway in the US. If you have big tits and a pretty smile you get off with a warning, but if you're black with resting bitch face then you'll get a ticket or maybe even some K9 action Either enforce laws or get rid of the laws. If you don't have a system to track swimming pools then don't tax swimming pools. In the wo…

> the worse dystopian case (see Russia and a lot of the third world)

> a pretty smile you get off with a warning, but if you're black with resting bitch face then you'll get a ticket or maybe even some K9 action

Per your own example, America currently belongs in the "wors[t] dystopian case... [including] a lot of the third world" where laws are being used to harass those the state does not like.

I agree, to an extent, I just don't think the average American sees how far they have to go in terms of equality.

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Post by skinnymuch »

hellojesus wrote: post #122
mandmandam wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The rich already pay a disproportionately large amount of taxes INCOME taxes. Which is NOT the same as WEALTH. If you're going to talk about "the rich" then you need to differentiate between the wealthy ownership class (the people who own things like the debt for our 20 trillion dollar illegal wars, or your mortgage), and the software engineers and doctors who get spooked by any talk of raising taxes. This guy expl…

In the US a wealth tax is unconstitutional at the federal level. So we can only measure disproportionate income taxes by using income as a qualifier for rich. https://www.heritage.org/taxes/commentary/1-chart-how-much-t...

Heritage isn’t a reliable service and you appear to keep linking to them. It says a bunch of weird words and terms and obfuscates all the issues while making America sound amazing.

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Post by skinnymuch »

hkt wrote: post #47
cm2187 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taxes are pissed away in France in gigantic useless bureaucracies, useless projects and vote-buying redistribution, to the point that core state functions (police/justice, army, education or healthcare system) are paradoxically starved of funds and dysfunctional. Sadly the only way to curb this spending incontinence seems to starve the state of revenues.

> Sadly the only way to curb this spending incontinence seems to starve the state of revenues. Or reform the broken democracy at the crux of it all.

When has reforming worked? No less with democracies (which are all broken anyway)

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Post by skinnymuch »

rahen wrote: post #31
cm2187 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taxes are pissed away in France in gigantic useless bureaucracies, useless projects and vote-buying redistribution, to the point that core state functions (police/justice, army, education or healthcare system) are paradoxically starved of funds and dysfunctional. Sadly the only way to curb this spending incontinence seems to starve the state of revenues.

Why "sadly"? Starving it also gives it less power, and more power and freedom to the individuals. This is even truer in France.

The state only has as much power as it can wield and as what the people will take. Individuality the way you’re implying does not exist in societies where not even food, shelter, and basic dignity is guaranteed and provided to all.

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Post by skinnymuch »

tasubotadas wrote: post #112
cinntaile wrote: post #6

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Why do you think discovering illegal tax evasion is not good?

Monitoring citizens using AI is China-like dystopia.

In America we have a credit score which is quite dystopian. America has the most prisoners and slavery in prisons. The NSA among others monitor citizens.

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Post by jbm »

snthd wrote: post #74
l5870uoo9y wrote: post #11

You can without a doubt take this even further and train it to detect all sorts felonies. The felonies will mainly be simple ones that perpetrated by the lower and middle class. Builder working without a bill? Crosscheck income with an country wide average and their spending history. Nailed. Waitresses working without paying tax? Crosscheck size of establishment with formally employees. Nailed. Of course, this not on…

>but also one of social justice. Illegal employment, or what is called "sort arbejde" in Danish or Schwarzarbeit in German if want a compounded word, allows builders en masse to make a decent wage and is widespread, in Denmark at least. Illegal employment also goes hand in hand with exploitation. https://www.dw.com/en/spains-sea-of-plastic-where-europe-get... >(2019) The greenhouses of Almeria grow much of Europe's f…

> It's worth remembering that there are more people in slavery than there have ever been

Much like drugs. What is it about prohibition that makes a crime more popular?

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Post by olivierduval »

activiation wrote: post #124
olivierduval wrote: post #82

A big part of the "AI" trend is - be affraid of a big general AI that will destroy humanity like ChatGPT - recognize pools in garden from sat images Actually, if the title was only "French Tax service find 20k hidden taxable swimming pools in France, netting €10M", nobody would care... and it would be fair!!! There is no "Intelligence" in this...

How were they hidden?

Most are in the garden in the back of the house... so hidden from the street but not really physically hidden. And house owner didn't declare that they build one (so hidden to the French Tax Service)

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Post by tasubotadas »

skinnymuch wrote: post #166
tasubotadas wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Monitoring citizens using AI is China-like dystopia.

In America we have a credit score which is quite dystopian. America has the most prisoners and slavery in prisons. The NSA among others monitor citizens.

So?
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