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Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by poglet »

tptacek wrote: post #128
veidr wrote: post #101

I use the Quest Pro right now, because my interest in spatial computing (I like Apple's new term so trying to use it, haha) is greater than my misgivings about Meta (even though those are significant). I will buy the Apple thing, too. There are a lot of interesting differences between them (obviously, the biggest one being the price, and deriving from that) but the one I find interesting is Apple's decision not to ha…

To a first approximation, nobody uses the Apple Pencil as a primary input device on an Apple device.

I think there are a few reasons for this:

The Apple Pencil is only available for the iPad devices:

iPad navigation relies significantly on gestures that require multiple fingers, which is frustrating when holding the pencil.

The iPads are much larger in size then phones and it's often awkward to use the pencil as a primary input.

The pencil is kinda annoying to keep with the iPad, it magnetically sticks and is prone to falling off. My previous pencil fell and hit the nib, immediately breaking the tiny sensor that sits behind it.

They onscreen keyboard is too big to use with the pencil, and although you can use (a multi-fingered) gesture to make it smaller, it still isn't great.

For reference, I loved using the stylus as my primary input device for my Samsung Note. There were a bunch of quality of life features built around the stylus and you could stick it back in the phone to keep it safe.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Panini_Jones wrote: post #155
galkk wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hardly believe that with all headstart that oculus/mega had they don’t have enough patents to ensure mutually assured destruction

There's always the defense that he engineer wasn't aware of the patent.

That just gets you out of paying triple damages.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by veidr »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #156
veidr wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, although that might be where my analogy breaks down. Controllers are today the primary input device for pretty much all VR headsets out there. So, maybe the better analogy would be the Blackberry's keyboard. And we know who won that one. I think Apple is probably right to just double down on bare hands and voice as the input mechanism for spatial computing. I'm just also saying that controllers do have some adv…

Controllers will not make the jump to lightweight/outdoor AR

Totally agree. Like a stylus (or physical keyboard) it is only an advantage in some subset of usage scenarios.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by zmmmmm »

ctvo wrote: post #25

This sounded weak to me. Apple is making an integrated headset: their own lenses, processor, ..., down to the operating system. The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful . It has to be responsive. It has to have the little to…

> We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position

I think Zuckerberg would be elated if it plays out like iPhone vs Android.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by zmmmmm »

veidr wrote: post #109
nharada wrote: post #67

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> We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position Isn't this what Android did? They seem like they're doing fine enough

I believe OP is referring to how most Android phone vendors make no profits.

That's fine with him, he doesn't want to make profits from the hardware.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by wahnfrieden »

drcode wrote: post #148
unobatbayar wrote: post #140

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Meta Quest 3 really looks like it's made by Xiaomi, matches their entire theme and price range. What made you buy it?

The Apple Helmet is heavy as all out, because they refused to make it out of plastic, and are instead using glass/metal- Definitely an Apple move. (heavy, considering there's no included battery)

AirPods Max hurts my head so much I have to wear a hat/beanie. Not a great track record

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by bee_rider »

alanwreath wrote: post #5
alanwreath wrote: post #4

So about: “ every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself “ I’m not sure I grasp the critique given commercials like: https://youtu.be/CfTC-dPwdLM And multiple parts of the Vision keynote highlighted being present with those remotely as well as those locally. “ so much energy that now you need a battery “ I think everyone remembers the part where Apple admitted they are behind and getting th…

But yeah, all that doesn’t make the price still sting/stink and “ costs seven times more “ Is a fair criticism

Does Meta sell info from their headset ecosystem yet? It isn’t a fair criticism unless we know how much we’re paying via privacy violations.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by pavlov »

Invictus0 wrote: post #136
pavlov wrote: post #125

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This is exactly what Jobs claimed about the iPhone in 2007 and it didn’t stop Android from absorbing every relevant innovation.

Jobs was exactly right to say that iPhone was 5 years ahead of the competition. The competition at that time wasn't Android, it was blackberry.

Android shipped their first public beta in 2007. Its development overlapped the iPhone, and similarly the development of the standalone Quest systems has overlapped the Vision Pro.

There are most likely enough patents on both sides to render these portfolio boasts moot, once again.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by tptacek »

veidr wrote: post #141
tptacek wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To a first approximation, nobody uses the Apple Pencil as a primary input device on an Apple device.

True, although that might be where my analogy breaks down. Controllers are today the primary input device for pretty much all VR headsets out there. So, maybe the better analogy would be the Blackberry's keyboard. And we know who won that one. I think Apple is probably right to just double down on bare hands and voice as the input mechanism for spatial computing. I'm just also saying that controllers do have some adv…

I guess my point would be that Apple's approach towards inputs with the iPad and, much more importantly, the iPhone were vindicated probably as thoroughly as anything in the history of the computer industry?

Jobs made the stylus wisecrack in 2010. In 2023, that statement remains dead on the money. Lots of things Jobs said didn't age that well. This one did.

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