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Popular Subreddits are organizing a strike on 2023-06-12 b/c high API prices

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Re: Popular Subreddits are organizing a strike on 2023-06-12 b/c high API prices

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Post by dsab »

GenericDev wrote: post #147

I wish they would just let Reddit die. I hate it so much. I'm tired of ecosystems. We need to get away from content farms. Get away from shitty monetization driven efforts. Get away from shitty people moderating communities without giving members any locus of control. Bring back the 90s web. Bring back personal websites. Bring back people sharing their own content on their own terms. God I hope Reddit sticks to this…

> This community sucks, but for different reasons.

For what reasons? I am honestly curious if we share same thoughts

Re: Popular Subreddits are organizing a strike on 2023-06-12 b/c high API prices

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Post by stefandesu »

ninth_ant wrote: post #52

Can someone explain why this is such a big deal to some people? I legitimately don’t understand why this matters. Third party clients seem to be fairly niche with limited usage, I’m not sure why inexpensive access to an API is a required right for forum software. I don’t expect this to affect my usage of Reddit at all, and wondering who and what it does affect aside from a small number of third party client users. To…

> small number of third party client users

I feel like that number is not that small. Apollo for iOS (which is not only a fantastic Reddit client, but an exceptional example of a great iOS app in general) has about 1.5 million monthly active users. And that's only a single client.

As you can see in your replies and in many posts on Reddit, people using these third party clients (which are soooo much better than the first party clients) are likely to dramatically reduce their usage without it or even stop completely.

Re: Popular Subreddits are organizing a strike on 2023-06-12 b/c high API prices

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Post by abhayhegde »

I'm perplexed as to what to support here. For someone like me who brazenly hates Instagram, FB, Snapchat kinds of social media, Reddit is a gold mine of wisdom, advice, and content, if used appropriately. And the best way to use it was through third-party apps like Relay, Apollo etc.

The eventual loss of better user experience is saddening, but I'm not sure I fall into the category of not using it at all, because it's where I learn about a lot of useful stuff on life, personal finance, frugalism, unfiltered review of a product I haven't used yet etc. I hope this decision doesn't break the site.

Re: Popular Subreddits are organizing a strike on 2023-06-12 b/c high API prices

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Post by newoldhead »

GenericDev wrote: post #147

I wish they would just let Reddit die. I hate it so much. I'm tired of ecosystems. We need to get away from content farms. Get away from shitty monetization driven efforts. Get away from shitty people moderating communities without giving members any locus of control. Bring back the 90s web. Bring back personal websites. Bring back people sharing their own content on their own terms. God I hope Reddit sticks to this…

I said something akin to this on a 4chan post a little while ago and people hated me for it, but I stand by it. People need to 1) get more in touch with the technology they're using and 2) take back control of their content.

If you are into tech and what it provides for us but don't have your own website where you can post and design however and whatever you want, then what are you even doing? It's 2023, a .com domain costs $5 and HTML and CSS can be learned in less than a week.

We need to leave these massively-populated corporate data farms and go back to specialized media like content-specific forums and personal web pages. We've oversimplified and under-stylized our potential web presence as individuals for the sake of companies who farm our data. At least with forums the hateful comments are coming from people within your niche and the posted ads (if any) pertain to your interests.

Bring back web rings.

Re: Popular Subreddits are organizing a strike on 2023-06-12 b/c high API prices

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Post by rjbwork »

sterlind wrote: post #144
tiedieconderoga wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Three big issues off the top of my head: * Hosting costs. Reddit was very lucky to have imgur pick up a lot of its bandwidth in its early days, but free image/video hosting sites are cyclical: absent a benevolent billionaire, the costs will rise with popularity, and the site will eventually need a source of revenue, which will introduce friction and start its inevitable decline in popularity. * Moderation. Always a h…

> Most Reddit spin-offs of the past several years have been focused on minimizing moderation, which ends up attracting people who tend to get banned from other places before the site gets a chance to form its own identity and pick up steam. Mastodon is a good example and counterexample of this trend. Gab was the biggest Mastodon instance, largely populated by the kinds of people pre-Musk Twitter banned or limited (an…

>Reddit has a natural administrative/scalability partition boundary though, which makes federation much easier. I think a federated reddit would work better than Mastodon has.

To the point that quite a number of subreddits that have been banned, or that have been voluntarily shut down, have already set up their own clones on their own domains. t_d, drama, and fds are three notable examples that I can think of off the top of my heads.

Re: Popular Subreddits are organizing a strike on 2023-06-12 b/c high API prices

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Post by MaxikCZ »

dsab wrote: post #161
GenericDev wrote: post #147

I wish they would just let Reddit die. I hate it so much. I'm tired of ecosystems. We need to get away from content farms. Get away from shitty monetization driven efforts. Get away from shitty people moderating communities without giving members any locus of control. Bring back the 90s web. Bring back personal websites. Bring back people sharing their own content on their own terms. God I hope Reddit sticks to this…

> This community sucks, but for different reasons. For what reasons? I am honestly curious if we share same thoughts

Also curious, as this community is one of the best I had the luck to find. Where would OP direct me for non-sucky communities online?

Re: Popular Subreddits are organizing a strike on 2023-06-12 b/c high API prices

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Post by benhurmarcel »

slushh wrote: post #156
dt3ft wrote: post #25

I started to build an alternative: https://flingup.com It’s not much, but it’s honest work. If all this does is create a tiny fragment with a hundred people, I’ll call it success. For now, me and a handful of people use it to share articles we find interesting.

1% of your users will comment. If you want to have 30 articles per day, you need at least 3000 users if they post an article per day. Look at tiles.net, unless you focus on growing users, it will take some time. On the other hand, you could use ActivityPub in some way or form to offer content.

It's https://tildes.net/

Re: Popular Subreddits are organizing a strike on 2023-06-12 b/c high API prices

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Post by GenericDev »

dsab wrote: post #161
GenericDev wrote: post #147

I wish they would just let Reddit die. I hate it so much. I'm tired of ecosystems. We need to get away from content farms. Get away from shitty monetization driven efforts. Get away from shitty people moderating communities without giving members any locus of control. Bring back the 90s web. Bring back personal websites. Bring back people sharing their own content on their own terms. God I hope Reddit sticks to this…

> This community sucks, but for different reasons. For what reasons? I am honestly curious if we share same thoughts

Hacker News discourse is of a much higher quality than any other social media website.

That said, the priorities of the community is frustrating as a lot of it's driven by venture capital and money. I know it's Hacker News, but that doesn't change the point that in order to participate in a higher level of discourse I have to tolerate a bunch of capitalist stans.

The community also has a profoundly noticable difficulty with empathy for people outside of tech.

The community also loves to self-congratulate itself for how much better they are than other communities while still having their own issues.

There are other aspects as well like when people are talking about X but then commenters chime in and start taking about Y or Z, and say it's so much better and completely go off course.

Lastly I cannot emphasize how much I hate the articles that make it to the top where they say "X is bad" only to try and sell me on a solution. I'm getting quite sick of that as well.

Again, the discourse is great and I love it. But I still think this community suffers.

Re: Popular Subreddits are organizing a strike on 2023-06-12 b/c high API prices

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Post by GenericDev »

MaxikCZ wrote: post #166
dsab wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This community sucks, but for different reasons. For what reasons? I am honestly curious if we share same thoughts

Also curious, as this community is one of the best I had the luck to find. Where would OP direct me for non-sucky communities online?

I'm still looking. Please let me know if you find one.

The best I've found is discord communities I end up in on accident.

Re: Popular Subreddits are organizing a strike on 2023-06-12 b/c high API prices

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Post by r721 »

superkuh wrote: post #31
spondylosaurus wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love this idea, but the content I'm seeing on the front page right now is turning me off from using it. A lot of fringe political content (pandemic trutherism, Bud Lite culture war shit, etc.), which is not my idea of interesting since I can find plenty of that anywhere else.

That's because the first users pushed off any community and looking for alternatives are mostly genuine assholes. They're only the first but it makes it so "alternative" sites are really off-putting during their early days and this limits growth. notabug.io was favorite reddit-alike: https://github.com/notabugio/notabug . It was designed to be both server server federated and p2p to bridge content between unfederated…

>it was quickly over-run with genuine assholes which made using it distasteful and it eventually died

Nobody knows what actually happened because the dev/creator stopped using all their known accounts in 2020, and yet the website was still working until Oct 2022 (see also comments here in case you missed it https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/zicasn/...)

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