Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

thedriven.io

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

161–170 of 642 posts

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#161

Post by [deleted] »

kemiller wrote: post #141
newaccount74 wrote: post #105

Since other car makers are trying to cover the market by diversifying their model lineup, this is hardly surprising. I mean, just take BMW, despite seemingly not taking EVs seriously at first, they already have more different EV models to choose from than Tesla. So even if BMW would overtake Tesla in total EV sales, the Model Y would probably still get to keep the "best selling car" title...

Even if you total up all the models from other manufacturers, it still doesn't touch the model Y or model 3 for sheer volume. Add all 4 Tesla models up and it's a bloodbath. (This is in the markets people on HN probably care about, North America and Europe. China is another matter.)

[deleted]

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#162

Post by raincom »

Before Covid, one could buy Toyota vehicles 6% under MSRP. Today, Toyota dealers want $5K mark up fees, on top of MSRP, then all extra garbage, with 3 months wait time. If your family already owns an ICE vehicle, just buy Tesla Model Y as a second vehicle. These car companies and their dealers just try to screw customers with all hidden garbage.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#163

Post by [deleted] »

jancsika wrote: post #148

Translation: luxury vehicles are the future of car sales. Model Y is 2 times as expensive as a Corolla. Plus you can go and find an older Corolla with 100k+ miles on it and pay perhaps $5k cash for it, then drive it for another 50-100k. I don't see people in the service industry picking up a used Tesla, now or in the foreseeable future.

[deleted]

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#164

Post by croes »

kemiller wrote: post #141
newaccount74 wrote: post #105

Since other car makers are trying to cover the market by diversifying their model lineup, this is hardly surprising. I mean, just take BMW, despite seemingly not taking EVs seriously at first, they already have more different EV models to choose from than Tesla. So even if BMW would overtake Tesla in total EV sales, the Model Y would probably still get to keep the "best selling car" title...

Even if you total up all the models from other manufacturers, it still doesn't touch the model Y or model 3 for sheer volume. Add all 4 Tesla models up and it's a bloodbath. (This is in the markets people on HN probably care about, North America and Europe. China is another matter.)

The BMW group sold 588,138 cars in 2023. Where is that a bloodbath?

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#165

Post by jerrysievert »

pnpnp wrote: post #132
borissk wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW I've been driving German cars my whole life and never had one break. Never had to think about motor belts or engine filters - just visit a garage for planned maintenance every year or whatever miles the manual states. Tesla are an amazing company, that made EVs mainstream, but I'm never going to buy one. They don't know what the word "privacy" means.

Counter point, I drove a new German car and had the turbo blow up (this was an "economy" car) within 4,000 miles. I still loved that car, but ICE engines have an order of magnitude more points of failure.

I had my first two engines on my current car (2007, current engine 2013) replaced before finally having a reliable car (manufacturer paid for both replacements after noting there were defects and not anything I had done).

some times stuff is just borked up until a certain point and some of us get unlucky with the quicker to die versions.

sucks, but we need to look at the averages, not the outliers.

* editing to add that I would still recommend my car make and model, because it's just so damned awesome, but I would hate for others to go through what I went through.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#166

Post by nimish »

Animats wrote: post #142

It's encouraging to note that most model Y cars ("standard range") use lithium iron phosphate batteries, which have far fewer problem with fires than lithium iron. Energy density per kilogram of lithium iron phosphate batteries is lower, but has been improving slowly. Tesla had to buy the technology from BYD. I suspect that in a few years, batteries capable of thermal runaway will be prohibited. They're becoming unne…

LFP can have similar density since you don't need the same amount of protection in the pack. It's a system level win.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#167

Post by croes »

ryantgtg wrote: post #146
newaccount74 wrote: post #105

Since other car makers are trying to cover the market by diversifying their model lineup, this is hardly surprising. I mean, just take BMW, despite seemingly not taking EVs seriously at first, they already have more different EV models to choose from than Tesla. So even if BMW would overtake Tesla in total EV sales, the Model Y would probably still get to keep the "best selling car" title...

But if I take BMW, I see they currently have three all electric models on offer: iX, i7, i4.

Maybe because BMW customers still prefer combustion engines.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#168

Post by resolutebat »

ummonk wrote: post #151
kemiller wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you total up all the models from other manufacturers, it still doesn't touch the model Y or model 3 for sheer volume. Add all 4 Tesla models up and it's a bloodbath. (This is in the markets people on HN probably care about, North America and Europe. China is another matter.)

Why would HN people not care about sales in China?

The Chinese car market is full of brands that don't even try to sell their cars outside China. But it's noteworthy that Tesla is a top seller there as well, second only to local juggernaut BYD in EVs.

https://carnewschina.com/2023/02/13/ranking-of-china-market-...

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#169

Post by MH15 »

topkai22 wrote: post #145
umeshunni wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They had a 10 year head start on EVs (well, Hybrids), with the Prius and blew it. Worse: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/07/toyota-bet-wrong-on-evs...

Even worse is they had multiple generations of a RAV4 EV, which they stopped manufacturing in 2014. They made it along side Tesla in the same plant that now makes Model Ys. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_RAV4_EV

Funny that now they have the Rav4 Prime, which by some metrics is a top contender in the plugin-hybrid space.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

#170

Post by option »

croes wrote: post #164
kemiller wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you total up all the models from other manufacturers, it still doesn't touch the model Y or model 3 for sheer volume. Add all 4 Tesla models up and it's a bloodbath. (This is in the markets people on HN probably care about, North America and Europe. China is another matter.)

The BMW group sold 588,138 cars in 2023. Where is that a bloodbath?

of which how many were electric?
Post reply on HN