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Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by drcongo »

edude03 wrote: post #154
drcongo wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get an iPad. You can do all this and a ton more.

Though I own an iPad and am waiting excited for logic - I will say that producers would prefer to have some kind of hardware to go with their software, so the push 3 isn’t really a competitor to the iPad it’s an accessory

You could get a Novation Launchpad and an M1 / M2 iPad pro for less than this, have a tactile control surface, be able to use AUv3 plugins and instruments, and not be restricted on what host you use - this apparently won't even let you use VSTs.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by klodolph »

moojd wrote: post #128
jtode wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musician here, most of us (the ones that aren't also programmers) just have to pay up the arse every time for every thing. I've been teaching myself keys the last few years and had been planning to one day get myself a big $6k stage keyboard, when I felt that I had sufficiently developed to warrant it. I have since tried out Zynthian, and my conclusion was that with a pianoteq license and a good controller, I can hav…

Nords are for gigging artists that want every feature accessable via physical controls on the device with minimal setup. If you are willing to bring your laptop on stage there are probably better cheaper options. That being said used Electro's can be affordable and they are really fun devices to own. There is also a nice small community of people hacking on them. My current hobby project is reverse engineering the el…

The problem is that pure MIDI controllers are often not very good. When you pay $2,000 for a synthesizer, it can have a very good keyboard.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by nr2x »

vemv wrote: post #21

I own a Push 1 and 2, although at hobbyist level. The standalone Push 3 seems a great step forward. macOS has increasingly become user-hostile when it comes to audio (and other pro) users. For instance I have an expensive sound card that became useless with after a minor OS upgrade. I never got to troubleshoot it or find an official solution. That was incredibly discouraging - enough to move on to other hobbies. And…

The biggest issue with Mac is they manage to break device drivers every 12 months like clockwork. On the other hand, Logic Pro is an absolute steal at the price they charge, and it’s gotten some huge (and free) updates.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by monetus »

adriand wrote: post #80
dottjt wrote: post #45

Personally, I don't really like the Push platform, having previously owned a Push 2. I can understand the value of it if you're performing live, however the hard reality is that it's a really inefficient way to create electronic music. The mouse and keyboard are simply a lot faster to use. With that said, maybe that's for you. But if you're trying to make advanced productions as quickly as possible, then I really see…

A keyboard and a mouse might be faster in some instances, but they are also far less musically expressive. When it comes to putting emotion into music, I think it is a lot easier to do so with an expressive, physically embodied musical instrument. In terms of speed, I'm also not sure how quickly you can create articulations like vibrato and slides with a mouse and keyboard, but that seems like it would be fairly tedi…

> Speaking personally, playing on a pad controller uses a different part of my brain and body than using a keyboard and a mouse. When I create stuff with a keyboard and mouse, I am in "design mode", where I am thinking in a deliberate way, similar to programming. When I create stuff on a pad controller, I am in "express mode", where I am not really thinking at all.

This is the most important thing you said IMO. Maybe keyboard shortcuts and ninja mouse skills can get you into a flow state, "improvisation" mode, but chances are your composer brain will be in the lead.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by pier25 »

smoldesu wrote: post #159
pier25 wrote: post #158

I owned a Push 2 and sold it after a year. Never got into it because the pads weren't very good. Soft touches sometimes triggered notes at max velocity which drove me nuts. The Push 3 has more sophisticated pads with MPE and I'm very skeptical Ableton could pull that off with good QA. The other thing that I find ridiculous is they sell you a barebones computer for $1,000 with an i3, 8GB of RAM, and 256GB SSD. A compu…

Can an iPad run Live?

Ableton could have made an app to run the Live engine controlled by the Push.

After all, they are probably running some Linux distro in the Push 3 so they had to invest in that anyway.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by nr2x »

smoldesu wrote: post #159
pier25 wrote: post #158

I owned a Push 2 and sold it after a year. Never got into it because the pads weren't very good. Soft touches sometimes triggered notes at max velocity which drove me nuts. The Push 3 has more sophisticated pads with MPE and I'm very skeptical Ableton could pull that off with good QA. The other thing that I find ridiculous is they sell you a barebones computer for $1,000 with an i3, 8GB of RAM, and 256GB SSD. A compu…

Can an iPad run Live?

As of today it can run Logic Pro. The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by sbrother »

gcr wrote: post #103
jtode wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musician here, most of us (the ones that aren't also programmers) just have to pay up the arse every time for every thing. I've been teaching myself keys the last few years and had been planning to one day get myself a big $6k stage keyboard, when I felt that I had sufficiently developed to warrant it. I have since tried out Zynthian, and my conclusion was that with a pianoteq license and a good controller, I can hav…

offtopic, but what keyboard controller do you recommend? I have a cheap MIDI keyboard but the keyfeel is all wrong compared to the upright pianos I used to play as a kid. I'd like to get back into piano, and I know I struggled with phrasing/dynamics, and I worry that unweighted keys will teach me bad habits even though they're technically velocity sensitive...

The Roland A-88 is the closest I've found. It feels great, but it's expensive.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by smoldesu »

nr2x wrote: post #166
smoldesu wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can an iPad run Live?

As of today it can run Logic Pro. The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference.

Does Logic Pro support controller extensions? If they do, they could add "support" with an unofficial plugin like Bitwig or Reaper does. Something tells me the iPad+Push experience wouldn't really be a gamechanger though, at least right now.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by maxbaines »

Great to see an upgrade kit. Interestingly "Each Upgrade Kit contains a processor, hard drive, battery, heatsink and all the tools you need for assembly."
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