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Enhancements to the Kagi Search Experience

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Re: Enhancements to the Kagi Search Experience

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(Kagi founder) Kagi never did bait and switch tactics and certainly doesn’t have a “history” of this. This is the third time you are accusing Kagi using the same words although I have addressed this already in a comment to you before [1] I would like to ask you to stop spreading this nonsense or at least substantiate your claims so that we can have a discussion. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35684449

Great, I think we deserve an honest discussion about this. When you say "hey my product is $10/month, please adopt it", users are going to factor that pricing information into their decision of whether to adopt the product. That's the bait. Later, once you have persuaded the consumer to adopt your product, changing the terms in a way that are significantly less favorable to the consumer (the switch) has the appearance of fraud. You further misrepresent Kagi as some kind of expert in the search space, while presenting a bait and switch defense basically stating that you're only now learning the "realities of the search market". So, which is it? Isn't "we didn't know the realities of _____ market" just a cop out that anyone committing fraud can claim? Why not grandfather in your early adopters? I think if you could answer some of these questions in good faith it would go a long way -- as it stands you're just embarrassing your organization.

Re: Enhancements to the Kagi Search Experience

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https://kagi.com/pricing?plan=individual I knew Kagi is paid but I didn't know they had a limit on how many searches you can perform, which is also rather low. But what I really didn't like is how dishonest they are. The lowest tier costs $5 and includes 200 searches per month. That is 6.66 per day! But they say "Includes enough searches for 99% of internet users" because "The average person searches Google three or…

I was a customer for a few months until they decide to raise it. I do, on average, 30-40 searches per day. I'll need the $25 plan and while they are (subjectively) better than Google, I couldn't really justify the price bump.

Re: Enhancements to the Kagi Search Experience

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Have you tried asking ChatGPT? That’s where all my technical questions start these days. In the past few days it’s helped me with a bunch of k8s stuff (“explain this coredns log message”, “give me the kubectl command to show all events sorted by most recent first”, etc…)

Yep. I have started to like it a lot. Lately I have started using https://labs.kagi.com/fastgpt as well, which seems to be more up to date and less censored.

I'm trying it a bit and it looks pretty good. A bit worse at re-using context but promising. Why does kagi gives that away for free, but asks a fee for search ? I would argue chat is more expansive operationnally ?

Re: Enhancements to the Kagi Search Experience

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Yep. I have started to like it a lot. Lately I have started using https://labs.kagi.com/fastgpt as well, which seems to be more up to date and less censored.

I'm trying it a bit and it looks pretty good. A bit worse at re-using context but promising. Why does kagi gives that away for free, but asks a fee for search ? I would argue chat is more expansive operationnally ?

This a Kagi experiment (hence on labs.kagi.com subdomain). We run many experiments to learn about AI and search and we will be soon implementing learnings from FastGPT into Kagi.

Re: Enhancements to the Kagi Search Experience

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We are zero telemetry. Luckily our users are very vocal :)

I applaud your privacy stance, but you might want to implement minimal feedback mechanisms, because you are not going to hear from people who leave. Early adopters tend to be more vocal. If your product becomes successful, you will have to satisfy less vocal, regular users.

That is an interesting take, but we :

a) do not want to jeopardize zero telemetry nature of the browser

b) we hear a lot from users who miss "just one thing" for Orion to be perfect

c) no amount of telemetry would tell us why someone does not like the browser

Re: Enhancements to the Kagi Search Experience

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Yes from 2016-2018, amazing people, easily my best corporate experience.

In what sense if you don't mind me asking? Technical know-how, ethics?

Culture, care about people, genuinely friendly coworkers.

Re: Enhancements to the Kagi Search Experience

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Why would (3) also perform an additional new search?

Because we cache for one minute I believe, so if you wait a few minutes, it would be outside of cache.

This makes sense, thanks for your reply.

Re: Enhancements to the Kagi Search Experience

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Would you consider making a pay-per-search model for the occasional users? This way one search is maybe $0,05 or whatever, but at least one can use KAGI without signing up for an account. Several paywall solutions exist for this, like: - http://paywall.lightningj.org/ - https://medium.com/@infolightningj/lightningj-paywall-bringi...

Yes potentially, we found out that incorporating billing system is painful and takes away resources from our (small) team that we'd rather spend on building better search experience (like this update).

I guess I’ll wait till you do find the resources.
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