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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by jaywalk »

voidmain0001 wrote: post #132
culturestate wrote: post #124

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> If framework laptops had a touchscreen, I would have waffled on ordering one. Is there some specific quality-related reason for this? I’m not a fan of touchscreens on laptops but absent some glaring technical issue I can’t imagine that being a blocker for my purchases.

A touch screen adds weight and a glossy display. I purposely purchased the Lenovo T14S Gen 3 AMD without a touch screen as I prefer a matte screen, and the device is lighter.

Touch screens do not have to be glossy. I've used plenty of matte touch screen displays.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by courgette »

dvd23 wrote: post #68
consp wrote: post #16

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Many laptops these days only implement s2idle and no proper s3 support which is the main culprit. My lenovo only does a day (at best) in s2idle under linux (windows is worse), when I switched it to s3 it does about 4 days as expected for the amd cpu. Fortunately this has a switch in the bios (which says windows won't work afterwards which is cow manure). You get the added benefit that windows can't phone home when yo…

Same for mine, there's even a long thread about it in Lenovo's forum (T14 gen1). I still think 4 days is not really great compared to my previous MacBook that could sleep for weeks.

Yeah, I kinda give up on great trackpad and insane, actual, battery life.

It's been a while too, I'm remember that being a plus of Apple devices since 10+ years.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by vetinari »

hutzlibu wrote: post #69
f_devd wrote: post #11

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It might be a bit of tinkering but you can enable suspend-then-hibernate with logind/systemd which gives you a similar setup to Macbooks but slightly slower to wake from deep sleep as it needs to go through post/grub again. With the bigger battery provide and new CPU I do hope it lasts longer when idle though.

"It might be a bit of tinkering" Thats an understatement. I never made suspend-then-hibernate work reliable on linux and I tried it over the years on different systems. So I just had developed the habit of always entering hibernation, if I intend to close the lid for longer. On windows suspend-then-hibernate never failed so far. Drivers are just the crux with linux in too many cases. Not much you can do about it, exc…

Suspend and hibernate are calls into ACPI, so no amount of driver work is going to help, when the firmware is responsible.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by taraharris »

Is there any proprietary firmware on these? If this is truly open, I'm excited, otherwise I do not care one bit.

(Scrolling down the comments, I am honestly disappointed that I am the only person asking this question. Or does everyone else already know and I'm just out of touch?)

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by bitL »

moffkalast wrote: post #160
_V_ wrote: post #99

The questions I always ask: - Does it have atlest two m.2 slots? - Can I have WIFI and WWAN (5G)? - Can this fit 4 RAM sticks? (96-128G RAM) - Does it have a 4k display? (it's 2023, come on!) Still not many computers do offer these parameters :-( I'd love to have Framework laptop if it would offer these parameters.

A 4K resolution on a 13.5-inch monitor? That's almost as bad of a waste of GPU as mining bitcoin. Just for fun I did some calculations, at 1080p a pixel is 0.1483 mm wide, at 4K it's 0.0742 mm. With the eye's angular resolution of 1 arcminute at say half a meter away, that's 500 mm * tan(1/60°) = 0.1455 mm. Even someone with perfect eyesight could hardly be able to tell. Do you intend to use it as a VR headset?

Most people use 2x scaling at that resolution and that helps predominantly the text quality as a single "superpixel" is made out of 4 pixels and many more subpixels.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by moffkalast »

bitL wrote: post #165
moffkalast wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A 4K resolution on a 13.5-inch monitor? That's almost as bad of a waste of GPU as mining bitcoin. Just for fun I did some calculations, at 1080p a pixel is 0.1483 mm wide, at 4K it's 0.0742 mm. With the eye's angular resolution of 1 arcminute at say half a meter away, that's 500 mm * tan(1/60°) = 0.1455 mm. Even someone with perfect eyesight could hardly be able to tell. Do you intend to use it as a VR headset?

Most people use 2x scaling at that resolution and that helps predominantly the text quality as a single "superpixel" is made out of 4 pixels and many more subpixels.

So you're literally using it as a 1080p screen? Lmao.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by bitL »

dcow wrote: post #109
_V_ wrote: post #99

The questions I always ask: - Does it have atlest two m.2 slots? - Can I have WIFI and WWAN (5G)? - Can this fit 4 RAM sticks? (96-128G RAM) - Does it have a 4k display? (it's 2023, come on!) Still not many computers do offer these parameters :-( I'd love to have Framework laptop if it would offer these parameters.

Can I ask what workloads you’re running where 8TB storage and 64gb ram aren’t enough? On a laptop…

M2 MacBook has 96GB at 14". One can use it to run LLaMA 4-bit instead of 3-bit.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by swader999 »

squokko wrote: post #125
_V_ wrote: post #99

The questions I always ask: - Does it have atlest two m.2 slots? - Can I have WIFI and WWAN (5G)? - Can this fit 4 RAM sticks? (96-128G RAM) - Does it have a 4k display? (it's 2023, come on!) Still not many computers do offer these parameters :-( I'd love to have Framework laptop if it would offer these parameters.

If you need 128GB of RAM then a 13 inch laptop is not what you need.

I usually go with are you consuming or creating. 13 inch is perfect for consuming but for some creating scenarios it may not be enough.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by bitL »

_V_ wrote: post #99

The questions I always ask: - Does it have atlest two m.2 slots? - Can I have WIFI and WWAN (5G)? - Can this fit 4 RAM sticks? (96-128G RAM) - Does it have a 4k display? (it's 2023, come on!) Still not many computers do offer these parameters :-( I'd love to have Framework laptop if it would offer these parameters.

96GB is doable with 2x48GB DDR5 modules that will be available soon.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by seabrookmx »

jjice wrote: post #17

I've been waiting for this machine for so long, excited to see the actual CPU unveil. I may be out of date, but is the issue with not entering sleep mode properly resolved? That's a huge issue to me. Aside from Framework, does anyone suggest any other existing laptops that keep a fairly slim design while also offering lots of user repairability? I've had an okay experience with my Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 3, but she's…

I've been daily driving a 12th-gen Framework on Fedora 36/37. Sleep itself has worked flawless, although you'll get a graphics driver freeze/crash every odd resume if you don't disable "panel self refresh."[0]

I revert this setting every kernel update to see if it's fixed and have not encountered it on 6.2.12 so YMMV.

I kind of assumed this was a Linux quirk and that Windows would be fine, but I haven't tried it.

[0]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_graphics#Screen_flick...

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