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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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"Help!" he shouted, according to a local report. "Someone stabbed me." [1]

He was in the car with suspect yet he says "someone stabbed me" ??

https://www.foxnews.com/us/cash-app-founder-bob-lee-died-ple...

edit: it still doesn't make sense to me. If someone I know stabs me and I assume I have few minutes to live and call 911, I would say "help, Joe Doe stabbed me". I wouldn't say "someone", because that implies a stranger.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Nah, there's something to this: "move fast and break things" sure. Like, the tech bubble hasn't been kind to everyone. There is a sort of "bubble up and push everyone else" type of unrestrained competitiveness--sort of like (in analogy or simile, not hi-fi) the "sociopathic corporate culture" of the 80s that Bret Easton Ellis tries to skewer in American Psycho.

Capitalism and corporatism has always been violent, in many senses of the word (not just American, consider the various colonial "East India" companies). So while that's not new, there's something to the idea that particularly effusive emanations of corporate splendor or their nexes are coupled to physical violence, destruction and moral collapsism pragmas.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

> _2600+_ comments on it, most of them hysterical about SF crime [of course, completely divorced from actual stats, i.e. SF has fewer homicides per capita than almost every other American city, including current faves Austin and Miami] On this list of homicides per capita [1], San Francisco ranks far higher than Austin in incidents per capita of "Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter": 2.57 per 100,000 people in Austi…

That's also from 2019. It's possible the OP looked at more recent information? Without knowing their source we won't know.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Yes, let's jump straight to other conclusions now.

Unless you're participating in the investigation, you don't have any ampliative knowledge to contribute.

This begs the question: what do you think the comment feature is for, exactly? Why are you even reading and responding to other comments?

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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The SF-is-a-hellhole narrative is compelling, but the report that Lee was not the victim of a random crime shouldn't have been surprising. The FBI says 40+% of murders are committed by a family member or acquaintance, and 10% by total strangers: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

That leaves 50% in the unknown category. Who knows whether those other 50% have the same distribution as the knowns? It's also possible that most of the unknowns are stranger murders since the offender might be harder to identify in those cases.

So, the ratio is somewhere between 10% stranger to 90% family and acquaintance and 60% stranger to 40% family and acquaintance.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

Off-topic: That particular HN discussion contains many users creating a political narrative, and even at the time it was obvious there were many bad comments. I wish we had a way to downrank users that derail conversions with crap. Are there forums with better user moderation systems that boost ranking of quality comments and decrease ranking of comment noise? Something where I can systematically increase the ranking…

> are there forums with better user moderation systems that boost ranking of quality comments and decrease ranking of comment noise? Something where I can systematically increase the ranking of comments of users I respect (or I transitively respect), and decrease the ranking of comments for users that I see write crap

It seems like you want a personalized filter bubble to confirm your pre-existing views and hide comments from anyone who even votes the same way as someone who contradicts your views. This is generally considered an anti-feature in public discussions, especially on HN. Calling all posts that you disagree with "crap" and ignoring them does a disservice to the conversation and to yourself.

The actual "crap" does get filtered out pretty well: the spam, slurs, trolling, low-effort jokes, and other things that derail the conversation. What you are calling "crap" are people's genuinely-held beliefs, some more coherently expressed than others, but which resonated with many others here. It is much better to engage than to ignore. I see that you didn't comment in that thread, which is a shame. Substantive disagreements are what move us all forward.

You might want to try Facebook, they do a really good job at keeping you in your preferred group's information cocoon.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That data is sourced from the FBI's UCR program ( https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/more-fbi-services-an... ) which relies on _voluntary reporting_ from law enforcement agencies.

How does it influence the comparison? EDIT: There is no mention of UCR as data source, where did you get it from? https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/about-the-data/crime-rates

Because the dataset is incomplete if even a single city doesn't opt into sharing data, or only provides a portion of the real data.

From the FBI itself:

> Pitfalls of Ranking

> UCR data are sometimes used to compile rankings of individual jurisdictions and institutions of higher learning. These incomplete analyses have often created misleading perceptions which adversely affect geographic entities and their residents. For this reason, the FBI has a long-­‐ standing policy against ranking participating law enforcement agencies on the basis of crime data alone. Despite repeated warnings against these practices, some data users continue to challenge and misunderstand this position.

- https://ucr.fbi.gov/ucr-statistics-their-proper-use

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

It feels a bit like you're championing a narrative of "See, it's not so bad! You'll just get your stuff stolen and your car vandalized!" I wouldn't feel so smug about that. I lived in SF for ~15 years, experienced multiple car breakins (when I had a car) and one weird guy who walked up to me on the street and said "I have a gun and I'm going to shoot you" (which I somehow calmly ignored). For the record, I didn't com…

The problem with saying that SF has relatively low violent crime is that it ignores the constant, extremely aggressive verbal assault that people are just accustomed to. In the years I lived there, I had people scream at me that they were going to kill/stab/etc. me at least a couple of dozen times (I would describe this as violent crime). Of course, if you call SFPD, they'll just tell you it's not an issue and ignore you, so those don't go into any statistics.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, let's jump straight to other conclusions now.

Yes. That's why the comment section is here.

Not really, it's more geared towards having substantial discussions, not whatever fantasy comes out of our minds.
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