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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by moritonal » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:47 PM UTC

netbioserror wrote: post #86

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

The words "most" and "many" there are doing some herculean lifting.

Look at the kind of people who do not have to work. Do they still work? No. Some sit on a beach and never lift a finger again, some become creatives and some try to recreate their successes again. None work what would be an engaging and productful job at a take-away joint.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by sholladay » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:47 PM UTC

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by ResearchCode » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:48 PM UTC

theusus wrote: post #8

This is a really pessimistic and shallow article. Who will prompt the AI for code? Manager? Also, you mentioned it gave wrong result at first. How did you know? Because you know how to code. As mentioned in other comment she should learn more about programming so she can become indispensible.

Being indispensable soon is not a valid cause for termination in any sane jurisdiction.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by yoav » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:49 PM UTC

This is like the 5 stages of grief. You’re not seeing clearly yet some of the points you made are not what you think they are.

1. Give Priya GPT4 so they can be much more productive. It probably won’t be right 100% of the time. But they’ll become an expert at using it for this use case.

2. You said Priya has had trouble learning to code, well now she has a world class tutor to bridge the gap and learn faster and more effectively than any time in history.

3. Now Priya is 10x mire productive, still needed in the loop to verify her work and maintain it, and knows how to code.

4. Priya can also use GPT to help apply for any other job or help solve any other problem she’s running into locally.

5. Yes it’s true eventually humanity will be replaced by AI general intelligence but GPT4 specifically is likely to create as many new jobs as it replaces, and LLMs likely to take 10+ years to really saturate everywhere.

6. By the time AI replaces all jobs and it’s the doom and gloom might as well give up state you describe society will have been radically transformed and “wanting to make a lot of money as a software engineer” will likely be replaced by “AI and Robots already take care of all society’s base needs and so basic food and shelter is now free anyway and you can pursue whatever interests you have (this is likely 50-100 years away at minimum)

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by onion2k » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:49 PM UTC

netbioserror wrote: post #86

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value.

You can do that without it being a job. I enjoy making things out of epoxy resin. It's fun, creative, hard work. I'd do it a lot more if we had universal basic income. It's not my job.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by pixl97 » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:50 PM UTC

ehnto wrote: post #129

auggierose wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. That's why there WILL be an uprising. When? I don't know. When the pressure becomes too high to bear, and risking your life seems like a good option compared to just hanging in there. But maybe by that time most humans have been genetically engineered to be happy to be serfs, and oligarchy is a genetic condition now.

I expect we'll adjust the status quo for decades yet. The internet projects a lot of negative sentiment, but I suspect most people are happy scraping by so long as they have a roof and some entertainment. Even proactive people are made to believe they are just one more "rise and grind" away from being a millionaire, they want to be succesful in this society, so they have no desire to tear it down. What could bring th…

Heh, I see we're following the Manna timeline

https://marshallbrain.com/manna1

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by pavel_lishin » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:50 PM UTC

logicalmonster wrote: post #138

1) Chaudry's article is amazing in its lack of creative thinking. If people like Priya can be ~10 times more productive wielding some AI tools, that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. Though some people in some companies might be laid off, it doesn't necessarily mean that more people will be laid off than new jobs…

> that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives.

This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure?

> Though some people in some companies might be laid off, it doesn't necessarily mean that more people will be laid off than new jobs are created.

It doesn't mean the opposite, either.

> 2) Chaudry ignores that you need a human in the loop to check an AI's work. You don't know that an AI's answer is always right. Even if it's perfect in 99% of cases, the answer could be jaw-droppingly destructive in that 1% of cases and make errors that even the dumbest human wouldn't make. Being grossly wrong even a small percentage of the time is far worse than a human making minor errors sometimes, and being slow all of the time.

Companies have shown time and time again that they're willing to make this trade-off.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by metta2uall » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:50 PM UTC

eropple wrote: post #46

theusus wrote: post #8

This is a really pessimistic and shallow article. Who will prompt the AI for code? Manager? Also, you mentioned it gave wrong result at first. How did you know? Because you know how to code. As mentioned in other comment she should learn more about programming so she can become indispensible.

You think programmers are indispensable? "Learn to code"? I think you, likely as not, have a rude awakening ahead of you. GPT can enshittify code, too. Unwind libraries into oceans of repeated Copilot-descendant code all over the place. It'll just take longer.

Just imagine how much tech debt can be generated by an overuse of GPTs... One concerning scenario is if software needed for e.g. garbage collection or food warehousing has some critical bug, but the AIs can't fix it, and the human employees (and even consultants) have a very hard time figuring out what's going on too..

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by inimino » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:52 PM UTC

logicalmonster wrote: post #138

1) Chaudry's article is amazing in its lack of creative thinking. If people like Priya can be ~10 times more productive wielding some AI tools, that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. Though some people in some companies might be laid off, it doesn't necessarily mean that more people will be laid off than new jobs…

Your comment is amazing in its naivete. The first sentence in the post you are replying to already includes awareness of everything you said and more, while nothing in your comment suggests you understood the post at all. Priya doesn't become 10 times more productive, someone else uses the tool to do her job, which no longer exists.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by yucky » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 2:52 PM UTC

logicalmonster wrote: post #138

1) Chaudry's article is amazing in its lack of creative thinking. If people like Priya can be ~10 times more productive wielding some AI tools, that means that many companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services and make more things that will enrich peoples' lives. Though some people in some companies might be laid off, it doesn't necessarily mean that more people will be laid off than new jobs…

  > companies can potentially produce 10 times as many products/services

How exactly is that a good thing? We already consume too much, now we will have 10x as much to consume? Unlikely that demand for "the things" goes up 10x, which means the value will drop.