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> Wouldn't it be smarter to actually listen to what Russia is trying to say? Russia says a lot of things, often contradictory, but what really speaks is their actions. Invading Ukraine wasn’t about denazification, or nato threat, or anything except naked imperialism.
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Whose soverignty? Russias? What on earth does the dealings of Estonia or Finland have to do with the sovereignty of Russia? Or did you mean something else?
> what incentive or assurance does Russia have for leaving its former territories exposed to being absorbed by it
What do you mean assurance or incentive? If they want to join a defensive pact they are sovereign and can do so (please, talk about Canada or Mexico joining China/Russia in a military alliance it would really lift the quality of discourse)
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"If his former exes asked for a restraining order against him, what incentive or assurance does he have for allowing them to break up with him?" The problem is Russia. Russia could be a normal country like its neighbors and make money from trading goods while wooing foreign investors, but Putin took the history books he read too seriously and thinks he can pull another round of territorial conquests. I don't see how…
Many were optimistic after the fall of the USSR ("end of history" and all that) that Russia would develop into a liberal democracy that would concentrate on improving the lives of its citizens, and engage in mutually beneficial peaceful trade with other countries, while respecting their sovereignty. But, the Russian leadership chose differently, aggression and imperialism, and are now reaping what they sowed. Whining…
Kinda makes one wonder how come the privileged part of the world that lead us after "the end of history" now seems to have strained or even terrible relations with Russia, China, India, most of the Middle East (even Saudis are super grumpy at this point), half of Africa, and even souther parts of Americas.
All this talk of "mutually beneficial peaceful trade" and "respect for sovereignty" is cheap and empty - systemically confirmed in practice in many parts of the world, in different environments, tested against one constant.
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*Without using their nukes
Nukes are useless tactically. Especially when you can't provide CBRN uniforms and training to all your troops.
Or just used the threat of doing so to take Ukraine piece by piece.
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> They want to install their own people in other countries regardless of the locals choice? Is that what they were publicly saying since 2007 or is that what you interpret it as perceiving Russia as the evil because big media pumps ad revenue on it?
Their actions speak pretty loudly. I’m asking, what is Russia trying to say?
Stop the expansion. Watch the video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ58Yv6kP44
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> Wouldn't it be smarter to actually listen to what Russia is trying to say? No. Nobody should care what Russia has to say about another country voluntarily wanting to (and joining) NATO > the irony is that the expansion of NATO gives the US ability to force its will upon NATO members and its neighbors All NATO members joined voluntarily. None of your business. > the ambitions are not different from the ambitions of…
> No. Nobody should care what Russia has to say about another country voluntarily wanting to (and joining) NATO I'm sorry, but Russia's concern is not out of thin air - you can only join NATO if your membership is not a threat to your border countries. This is one of the rules of NATO itself.
It would be odd to have such a rule, because NATO is a defensive alliance that is of no threat to any of the bordering countries.
Russia’s concern is out of the thin air, because if NATO really wanted it to, with how incompetent the russian army is, I estimate it’s 3 days to take Moscow.
The only people afraid of the Russian army are Russian men of military age.
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Russia is the one getting ruined over this war. You really think they do this on purpose? Western economies also suffer to some degree, but at the same time have also great benefits from it.
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Very true. Though it's good to remember the Soviet Union did even worse things to Russia.
It's true, since the October Revolution the Soviets didn't actually serve their people
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> No. Nobody should care what Russia has to say about another country voluntarily wanting to (and joining) NATO I'm sorry, but Russia's concern is not out of thin air - you can only join NATO if your membership is not a threat to your border countries. This is one of the rules of NATO itself.
> This is one of the rules of NATO itself. It would be odd to have such a rule, because NATO is a defensive alliance that is of no threat to any of the bordering countries. Russia’s concern is out of the thin air, because if NATO really wanted it to, with how incompetent the russian army is, I estimate it’s 3 days to take Moscow. The only people afraid of the Russian army are Russian men of military age.
I mean, read their rules.
Finland got de-Finlandized at last. Which is what the expansion of NATO was always about. NATO isn't a threat to Russia itself - if Russia seriously feared NATO aggression, it wouldn't voluntarily demilitarize its NATO borders during the past 13 months. NATO expansion just neutralizes Russian ability to force its will upon its neighbors through threat of aggression (or in case like Ukraine through the use of aggressi…
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