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Rolling Stone left out the reason why FBI raided journalist's home

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Re: Rolling Stone left out the reason why FBI raided journalist's home

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>bro they gaslit the whole country into being islamophobes for a solid few years there so we'd agree with the invasion of Afghanistan, predicated upon a former CIA asset supposedly having had some hand in 9/11 The invasion of Afghanistan started like a month after 9/11, and there's basically no evidence Bin Laden himself had CIA connections. The Afghans that harbored him did, but not Bin Laden. I am very critical of…

that's easily the least-interesting part of my post though (and a quick web search will show plenty of evidence both for and against it). again: our news media temporarily gaslit the entire country into being bigoted against an entire major world religion (not to mention other groups who were unfortunate enough to resemble, at a glance, the caricatures we were gaslit into hating—like Sikhs), solely to further the age…

>that's easily the least-interesting part of my post though

It's still wrong. I'm not disagreeing with your overall narrative, which is why I'm not discussing it. We weren't gaslit into starting the War in Afghanistan, the Bush administration presented a clear reason for the invasion that probably was true. That doesn't forgive all the administration's other faults.

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If it helps you feel better, this is in a thread about them getting caught and called out. There are some horrifically bad actors in our media landscape right now who are more than happy to lie or label opinion shows as "news" if makes their stock price goes up. It's good to see serious, well respected news outlets like NPR doing the hard work and calling others out on their BS.

I was going to point out how NPR dropped the ball [1] on the Hunter Biden story, but then found this followup [2] and i'm not sure how i feel. Is it a correction? A copout? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [1] https://www.marketwatch.com/story/npr-explained-why-its-not-... [2] https://www.npr.org/2022/04/09/1091859822/more-details-emerg...

NPR almost never ignores stories outright. They will slip things into a vague half a sentence quickly between segments, only cover one viewpoint, and uncritically repeat government statements. All news sources do this kind of stuff though, so it's important to read and listen widely and critically.

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How would you distinguish between "intentionally deceptive" and "being wrong"? In principle I don't disagree; but proving "intentionally deceptive" beyond reasonable doubt in court is extraordinarily hard, so in practice I don't really think we can do much about it.

See the current disclosures about what Fox "journalists" were doing.

I don't know what that's referring to.

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Rolling Stone magazine has been going down hill for a long time. There reporting of late has been pretty disappointing with slanted views/one sided reporting

The only recent major Rolling Stone scoop that has held up after further scrutiny was Matt Taibbi's coverage of financial institutions. That was ages ago.

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You and I and a huge fraction of humanity noticed, but not a large enough fraction to make such unprofitable?

There is a huge difference between noticing abuses of the media and being able to immunize your self to the effects of such behavior. Many of use on this site like to think we are purely logical being but we are fooling ourselves. We are fuzzy logical beings full of emotions and complex human psychological traits. Just because we intellectually understand the problems around advertising and click bait does not make u…

true!

Re: Rolling Stone left out the reason why FBI raided journalist's home

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post #163

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See the current disclosures about what Fox "journalists" were doing.

I don't know what that's referring to.

If you don't pay attention to American news, you could've missed this, but in a nutshell Fox had to disclose messages in the course of a lawsuit that show they've been intentionally lying to their viewers.

This article is opinionated and editorialized, but some of the facts about the messages are there:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/17/business/fox-news-dominion-li...

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The reasons are extremely clear here, secondly, judges issue warrants based on facts, it's not perfect, but most warrants are obtained 100% legally. In this case the accused had top secret document on his computer but more importantly is being investigated for images of child sexual abuse which was redacted by Rolling Stone. You have to read the article, otherwise I would think you're defending an accused pedophile j…

>otherwise I would think you're defending an accused pedophile just because you have some imaginary beef with the FBI. You're on the right track but you have it backwards. We should be mad that the FBI has so consistently degraded their reputation with parallel construction and other flat out lies that even in the case of a potentially heinous guilty person we cannot believe their claims before they are tested in cou…

I see a lot of police making mistakes on youtube. Do I assume every police officer is a bad apple? No, because I'm not an idiot.

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I'm really confused how you read that sentence as spinning Rolling Stone's actions positively?

But he used it as justification to "give Rolling Stone a little bit of slack on this one.".

It's interesting how criticizing trash publications like the rolling stone with facts and truth gets your comment flagged. Makes one wonder...

Re: Rolling Stone left out the reason why FBI raided journalist's home

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post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it helps you feel better, this is in a thread about them getting caught and called out. There are some horrifically bad actors in our media landscape right now who are more than happy to lie or label opinion shows as "news" if makes their stock price goes up. It's good to see serious, well respected news outlets like NPR doing the hard work and calling others out on their BS.

I was going to point out how NPR dropped the ball [1] on the Hunter Biden story, but then found this followup [2] and i'm not sure how i feel. Is it a correction? A copout? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [1] https://www.marketwatch.com/story/npr-explained-why-its-not-... [2] https://www.npr.org/2022/04/09/1091859822/more-details-emerg...

A save-face

Re: Rolling Stone left out the reason why FBI raided journalist's home

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post #35

I hate to sound like a grumpy old man [especially because I'm not...] but I'm increasingly discouraged by both (1) the media's willingness to abandon any sense of ethics or integrity, and (2) the public's willingness to unquestioningly consume everything that such media produces. We somehow crossed over an invisible line that separates "cheeky hyperbole" from "outright deceit and lies" and nobody noticed.

People have noticed.

It's a bit ironic that it's NPR calling out Rolling Stone. NPR willingly suppressed damaging news about political families just before an election.

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