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Post by teddyh »

marttt wrote: post #150
teddyh wrote: post #116

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I probably failed because the quoted words were not actually quotes . I could understand a word like “value” being quoted sarcastically without a specific quote in mind, but the quoting of many other words and phrases were mystifying.

Try to replace OPs quotes with an appositive like so-called or so to say . "Big tech" = so-called Big Tech , "industry" = so-called industry etc. This way, the irony does make sense, especially when you read OPs earlier comments.

Yes, I know how sarcasm quotes work. It just didn’t seem to fit all of them, like “go out of business”.

Re: What happens when your phone is spying on you

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Post by marttt »

teddyh wrote: post #161
marttt wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try to replace OPs quotes with an appositive like so-called or so to say . "Big tech" = so-called Big Tech , "industry" = so-called industry etc. This way, the irony does make sense, especially when you read OPs earlier comments.

Yes, I know how sarcasm quotes work. It just didn’t seem to fit all of them, like “go out of business”.

This seems like a sarcastic reference to "startup-speak": phrases that are somewhat overused by people from the startup industry. Corporate slang and a sign of belonging of sorts that might feel a little overblown for those outside the tech world.

I'm just a hobbyist geek, though, so I may heavily overinterpret things (and the OP) here. :)

Re: What happens when your phone is spying on you

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #85
senthil_rajasek wrote: post #28

I found this article very shallow. It covers only spyware that are installed when a device is physically compromised. I was hoping it would cover spy/malware that install remotely through many more infection vectors like clicking text messages. I guess NSO/Pegasus malware has this capability. I barely use any apps and would gladly settle for a flip phone... I value privacy more than the ability to order food through…

Flip phones are available. SBF has been issued with one under his latest conditions of release. Remember though, privacy comes at a cost. Thousands of parasitic "startups" that live off of VC, produce nothing for sale, have no profits and rely on surveillance to demonstrate speculative "value" might suffer or even "go out of business", "Big Tech" might not rake in billions per quarter for selling ad services, "tech j…

"Business" is normally defined generally as sales and purchases made for profit.

What if a company has no profits.

What if a company's product or service is "free". Is that sales.

What if a company has sales, i.e., online advertising services, but in its communications with employees and the public it continually suggests its "business" is something else. Why would it do that.

In any event, there is a question IMO of whether a "tech" company is even "in business" if it can only ever pay its employees and other expenses with investment rounds. Is it possible to "go out of business" if the company was never "in business" (assuming we accept the usual definition of a business).

We already know how VC and "tech" companies would answer these questions. Anyone who questions what they are doing is always wrong. We know that. We have heard it before. But VC and "tech" companies do not have a history of being honest. There is a credibility issue. Not to mention that trying to discredit people who ask questions is silly.

This thread titled "What happens when your phone is spying on you" is about (free) "smartphone apps" that collect data about people below peoples' awareness, strategically avoiding the issue of consent. Why is this even happening. Did VC and "tech" companies have anything to do with it. No, of course not. Performing such hidden data collection is exactly what they consider a "business". It seems that some folks would prefer not to be spied on even when it is essential to someone else's "business".

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Post by msm_ »

SoftTalker wrote: post #60
handedness wrote: post #53

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Many restaurant managers already have: I'm increasingly finding places won't allow phone orders, at least during peak hours.

So call the places that do. This is called free market competition.

But why? Ordering via app is more convenient, and the restaurants clearly don't mind fees.

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Post by sizzle »

sasas wrote: post #137
sizzle wrote: post #120

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Wow amazing write up, start a consultancy and start charging to audit the privacy of apps, imagine getting paid to do this on every App Store update of Tik Tok and the like for agencies or companies auditing their apps, etc. You are really talented, now get paid for it or open source some automated tools for getting the trail to see behind the curtain for these apps that force you to enable permissions to use them.

Hey thanks! There are quite a few static based automated tools that can help as a first run such as https://sisik.eu/apk-tool Perhaps there are opportunities for developing easy to use dynamic analysis tools for the general population.

We need more privacy conscious talented tech folks like yourself to do the work without shortcuts. I think you should start a company doing this work with like minded folks and sell the service!

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Post by walterbell »

Jeremy1026 wrote: post #48
walterbell wrote: post #45

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> talking to a person to order takeaway Also supports small business by saving them double-digit app fees!

Not necessarily. The delivery apps set up proxy numbers to pass calls through, taking a lead fee. So you can't just search "sub shop near me" and call, as it might not be their actual phone number. Your best bet if you want to save the local place fees from the apps is walk in the first time, then call the number off the paper menu from then on.

PiTM (Parasite in The Middle)

Re: What happens when your phone is spying on you

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Post by tcbawo »

zw123456 wrote: post #106
tcbawo wrote: post #101

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Maybe this isn’t what happened. But I was specifically referring to the ability to pair a computer with your Android device to send/receive messages without your phone: https://messages.google.com/web/authentication It’s actually quite handy.

Maybe too handy.

Did you ever get an answer to how he did this?
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