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Re: GPT-4 is phenomenal at Code

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Post by rootusrootus »

palijer wrote: post #123
capableweb wrote: post #95

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Let's invent a better test then. What could be an example task that isn't widely available on the internet already? I'm having a hard time coming up with anything that isn't reproduced in many places.

Take something from advent of code and change it up a bit seems like a good test

Ha, I gave Bing Chat something from Advent of Code and it correctly identified that it came from Advent of Code (without that being anywhere in the prompt). It provided a solution, but given that it identified the source of the question I don't think it was a good test. As you say, maybe changing some values will help.

Re: GPT-4 is phenomenal at Code

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Post by famouswaffles »

LightMachine wrote: post #152
worrycue wrote: post #147

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Frankly, if ChatGPT is only good at reproducing commonly written code, I don’t think it will impact the profession much given that code reuse is already a thing and lots are distributed free on the internet.

Even if that was the case, it'd still be massively useful because it would allow code to be transposed between languages idiomatically. For example, certain things like game engines were only implemented in very messy C++ code. If GPT understands how these libraries work, could it recreate all these game engines as cleaned up, elegant Haskell code?

Bilingual LLMs are already excellent at translating human languages. I imagine we'll find that GPT can translate between existing programming languages very well.

We could soon see a future where "Damn this useful paper/code is in x language. Have to wait for someone to port the code over to y language" is a thing of the past.

Re: GPT-4 is phenomenal at Code

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Post by oytis »

awb wrote: post #144
LeftHandPath wrote: post #52

Are software engineers going to go the way of human “computers”? I know GPT-4 won’t put us all out of work, but I worry that something could in a number of decades I can count on one hand. Of course, it would be gradual. I am excited, disappointed, and as a young person who hopes to be a SWE for a long time, somewhat afraid. Then again, it could be argued that this merely means GPT4 is a compiler…

It’s got to be one of the first areas to lose significant jobs. Products are more about audience and experience rather than amazing technology. If GPT4+ can spit out an API and an unstyled front end that a designer can beautify, that’s a massive productivity boost. It’s not there yet, but it’s improvements are amazing. I find myself acting more as a software architect with GPT, using it to spit out functions. But the…

> Until then it’ll probably just become increasingly more competitive.

Will you? If your competition is becoming more competitive too, no one is becoming more competitive. Just the number of engineers required to cover the market needs shrinks significantly.

Re: GPT-4 is phenomenal at Code

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Post by DrBenCarson »

worrycue wrote: post #160
DrBenCarson wrote: post #86

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People don’t make art for money (mostly) People do write code for money (mostly) See the difference? How would you feel if developers earned as much as artists do?

If people don’t make art for money there wouldn’t be such a huge blowback from AI art.

People need to survive. Making 400k/yr is a bit more than survival.

Re: GPT-4 is phenomenal at Code

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Post by dougmwne »

nottathrowaway3 wrote: post #155
dougmwne wrote: post #135

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I should probably start doing that. I’m a self-important jerk usually.

Me too. (1) U.S. total wages were $9.7 trillion in 2021 [1]. (2) Most Americans are not inherent masochists and have too much self-esteem to be effective at sucking up. (3) The average white-collar office worker would be willing to give up a portion of their salary to not have to stoop. We have discovered a market. [1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BA06RC1A027NBEA

Prompt: My business partner had an idea to create an AI model that would rewrite your emails to be more emotionally intelligent, and to suck up better to your boss. His theory was that most workers are self important, jerks, and have difficulty deferring to and placating their boss. Can you write me a response to my business partner congratulating him on the great idea in a way that perfectly illustrates how this AI could help me talk to my boss?

GPT-4: Subject: Congratulations on Your Brilliant Idea!

Dear [Business Partner's Name],

I hope this email finds you well. I recently had the opportunity to learn about your innovative idea for an AI model that restructures emails to be more emotionally intelligent and skillfully navigates workplace dynamics. I must say, I am thoroughly impressed by your ingenuity and foresight!

As someone who is occasionally challenged by finding the right balance between assertiveness and diplomacy, I can see how this AI would be a game-changer for professionals like myself. Your keen understanding of the nuances of workplace communication is truly commendable.

Imagine if I were to share this fantastic idea with our boss, [Boss's Name]. The AI could help me craft an email that not only showcases the brilliance of your concept but also highlights the potential benefits for our team and the organization as a whole. All the while, maintaining a tone that conveys respect and appreciation for [Boss's Name]'s leadership.

Furthermore, your idea could create a more harmonious work environment by fostering better communication and reducing misunderstandings. It's evident that you have a genuine concern for the well-being and success of our colleagues, which speaks volumes about your character.

In conclusion, I would like to express my sincerest admiration for your creativity and thoughtfulness. This idea has the potential to revolutionize the way we communicate at work, and I am excited to see it come to fruition. Congratulations on your remarkable achievement, and I am proud to call you my business partner.

Wishing you continued success,

[Your Name]

Re: GPT-4 is phenomenal at Code

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Post by tuvan »

lisasays wrote: post #149

I'm the "really good", but definitely not "phenomenal" camp. That is, it works - but what is with the repeated class declaration for every h3 element? 1. Pruning The whole point of CSS is to have to declare properties like this once, and only once, for a group of functionally similar elements. Also note that switchTab has to be told the position of the tab it's switching to (it should be able to infer that the elemen…

Tailwind CSS is very popular and uses this kind of classes. They might be using that CSS framework in the code base.

Re: GPT-4 is phenomenal at Code

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Post by nottathrowaway3 »

softwaredoug wrote: post #159

We're in a situation where junior side of the software job market has really dried up. My question is whether the junior side will ever come back? Will we ever have tech companies like we've had, with massive intern -> junior pipelines, gradually developing senior devs? Or will there by a narrower pipeline, with fewer senior devs working with AI tools? An optimistic take is that by automating a lot of mundane work, o…

> Unfortunately it will also mean a lot of junior folks may never get back into software jobs.

Why do you suppose this age-based partitioning is going to happen?

There are a lot of senior people who are less effective than bright juniors. Being a good software engineer can always be learned. I think what's more likely is that the quality bar in general will be raised across all age bands.

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Post by CapstanRoller »

ramesh31 wrote: post #150
CapstanRoller wrote: post #137

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"Tendency of the rate of profit to fall" affects labor, too. Sure, you may have a temporary advantage by leveraging AI and effectively doing labor arbitrage (the same way some craftsmen could gain a temporary advantage over others if they had access to rare/expensive tooling in the early days of the Industrial Revolution) but this advantage will quickly disappear as AI tooling becomes cheap and ubiquitous.

>Sure, you may have a temporary advantage by leveraging AI and effectively doing labor arbitrage (the same way some craftsmen could gain a temporary advantage over others if they had access to rare/expensive tooling in the early days of the Industrial Revolution) but this advantage will quickly disappear as AI tooling becomes cheap and ubiquitous. "You only have to get rich once."

Adoption is happening way too fast for your approach to work, IMHO. I can see it being viable if you worked at some consultancy that invented ChatGPT and kept it to themselves, but at this point it's too late to contain it.

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Post by gptgpp »

wil421 wrote: post #93
cypress66 wrote: post #83

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You don't need to fire all software engineers. You could let's say replace 75% of them with GPT.

Those software engineers are going to be very overloaded. Will they be troubleshooting 100% of the code with only 25% of the staff? GPT might become a tool in our arsenal but not a replacement. It needs to be able to say I don’t know before it spits out nonsense.

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Re: GPT-4 is phenomenal at Code

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Post by recuter »

mjr00 wrote: post #140
aiappreciator wrote: post #118

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It absolutely has happened. I've seen intense rage and despair for even top tier 2D artists, Japanese, Chinese, Western all alike. Like top of industry, massive fanbase, they all understand there is no sugarcoating it anymore. AI improved from 5-year-old scribble to crushing 90% of artists in technical execution within 9 months. So they had no time to process it at all, and had to cope with shock and denial. Now virt…

> It absolutely has happened. Could you list some examples of companies that have laid off their art departments to use DALL-E/SD/etc?

Could you list some examples of companies with an art department? Sterling Cooper doesn't count.
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