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Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

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Post by bluGill »

EvanKelly wrote: post #80
bluGill wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After a few months of Duolingo you should move onto comprehensible input for learning. Your Duolingo subscription is holding you back

That's a new term for me, but after researching it, it makes sense. What are your preferred sources of comprehensible input. After a few months on Duolingo I still find TV shows to mostly not be comprehensible, so not productive.

Dreaming Spanish is well reported for Spanish learners. For other languages it is harder to find something.

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Post by gardenhedge »

dyno12345 wrote: post #131
gardenhedge wrote: post #117

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No. When the reception asks if you want to check in or the shopkeeper asks if you need a bag.. you won't get that from Duolingo. You'll learn the word for an apple though and if your memory is good you'll be able to recall it when needed.

or my personal favorite, getting tripped up by a followup question from a server like "do you want mustard with that?" etc.

And then when they see you slightly confused they inevitably just say it in English.. rendering your months of using Duolingo pointless

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Post by izolate »

chrisfosterelli wrote: post #115
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #86

Ugh. You can just feel the management layers in this. Management wants to do something with AI. It's so hot right now. Your product guy got an idea for a cool new feature. Tests show that users actually like it. It's helpful. Great. But now you need to explain how you made Duolingo money. First idea, your product has a paid tier, add it as a feature to the paid tier too boost paid user retention and new signups. Grea…

In fairness to duolingo, nearly everything duolingo does is like this. They are extremely metric and process driven (for better and worse of actual users).

I'd be very interested to know exactly what metrics allow them to ignore the fact that their most-recent app redesign has been, from what I can tell, unanimously disliked and shown to frustrate their userbase.

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Post by fernly »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #122
chrisfosterelli wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness to duolingo, nearly everything duolingo does is like this. They are extremely metric and process driven (for better and worse of actual users).

I can tell because when I tried to figure out the cost of the existing Super Duolingo, I was unable to do so. The https://www.duolingo.com/super page gives me lots of information about tiers and benefits but never mentions a cost. I'm sure telling you hurt metrics. Fuck those guys.

Thank you. I too wasted a good five minutes trying to find out what any tier would cost, and failed. I wonder if the USD prices are different from the CAD ones?

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Post by crazygringo »

netrus wrote: post #36
crazygringo wrote: post #30

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No, the "a" vowels are totally different. "Grassy" and "ass" have the vowel in "bat". "Gracias" has the vowel in "bot".

Bot is a problematic example, as it has many different pronunciations depending on meaning and region. But non on the common pronunciations have an 'a' (IPA), like Gracias.

True, I was simplifying a bit. Technically "gracias" is /a/ as you point out, while bot is /ɑ/. But /a/ doesn't really exist in General American English, so bot (or bra, as sibling suggests) is the closest on the IPA vowel chart.

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Post by eu »

qwertox wrote: post #121

This is the second time in the last couple of days that I've encountered a page hiding the pricing as good as they can. I wanted to see what this Max-plan costs, so I go to duolingo.com. Nowhere is a "Pricing" link to be found. So I go to "Super Duolingo", because that costs something and therefore should have a price. "Test 2 weeks for free", "Free | Super | Super-Family" with "Test 2 weeks for free", but nowhere wh…

I think they have different prices for each region

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Post by agluszak »

qwertox wrote: post #121

This is the second time in the last couple of days that I've encountered a page hiding the pricing as good as they can. I wanted to see what this Max-plan costs, so I go to duolingo.com. Nowhere is a "Pricing" link to be found. So I go to "Super Duolingo", because that costs something and therefore should have a price. "Test 2 weeks for free", "Free | Super | Super-Family" with "Test 2 weeks for free", but nowhere wh…

Hiding the pricing should be illegal. Hopefully EU will regulate it at some point.

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Post by agluszak »

eu wrote: post #167
qwertox wrote: post #121

This is the second time in the last couple of days that I've encountered a page hiding the pricing as good as they can. I wanted to see what this Max-plan costs, so I go to duolingo.com. Nowhere is a "Pricing" link to be found. So I go to "Super Duolingo", because that costs something and therefore should have a price. "Test 2 weeks for free", "Free | Super | Super-Family" with "Test 2 weeks for free", but nowhere wh…

I think they have different prices for each region

Just display the prices for each region then?

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Post by kelseyfrog »

maCDzP wrote: post #9

They should combine it with Whisper so I can talk to some AI in a random language and just talk about nonsense. Also awesome training data since my pronunciation would suck? I am a bit too embarrassed to talk in a new language but staying with an AI would be ok.

Agreed. The current iteration of speech training is ok-ish for pronunciation, but speech formation is an additional but important step.
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