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Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by plaguepilled »

mac-chaffee wrote: post #41
nimbius wrote: post #21

things like github and gitlab always struck me as oddities. it costs virtually nothing to deploy a containerized gitea and jenkins, or gitlab CE, and you have direct control over its performance and options without any spend. call me old fashioned but these online git-o-matic sites just seem more like rent-seeking during a recession.

I always reference this post when the subject of self-hosting "simple" things comes up: https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/RunningSer...

I might be extremely naive in thinking this, but all the listed concerns on that blog post seem rather straightforward to account for. Is there a hidden complexity that I'm just not seeing?

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by jamesfinlayson »

stabbles wrote: post #83
chainwax wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless Actions has gotten a lot more fleshed out since I last used it, I don't think it's as robust as Gitlab CI.

- Github Action's design is much better, just look at [1] for example, there's a lot of low-hanging fruit in Gitlab that's not done for some reason - I've had tons of issues with their kubernetes runners, hard to debug spurious system failures - They still don't display the last N bytes of the logs when logs get long, just the first N bytes, which is entirely useless when a build fails - It's awfully slow to navigate…

> The `stages` things is just useless noise, I just wanna specify dependencies please, I don't want to be forced to also put each job in a stage, it's weird.

I think there a few things like this in GitLab (like the ability to run pipelines against both commits and pull requests) - GitLab give you a lot of flexibility... but so far it's all just been extra bother to deal with.

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by bastawhiz »

mgl wrote: post #71
viraptor wrote: post #55

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Those add up unless you can tie them to specific income. I've got enough "just $1 a day" subscriptions already that give me way more value.

HBO is like $15 and it’s for pure leisure and zero creative work. Git(-|lab|hub) >> HBO

It's honestly amazing though how it can be nice to enjoy something. Sometimes I'll even eat some Reese's cups or wash my laundry with fabric softener.

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by mardifoufs »

jmholla wrote: post #157
cwsx wrote: post #152

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The company I'm currently at uses a self hosted instance, which due to our "security"* constraints we're grossly behind in updates. Not to say that's Gitlabs fault at all, but the amount of issues we have near daily is hilarious (if it didn't simultanously crush productivity). That said, I recall issues with the Gitlab Enterprise Support / whoever we contact about our license etc, mostly to do with slow or poor commu…

At least parts of what you say ring true in my experience following GitLab releases more closely (e.g. 1-2 months behind). I would highly recommend not self-hosting if you're going to go with GitLab. Performance issues will appear and disappear between updates, and sometimes on a whim and you're never quite sure what you did or didn't do. I did find the support staff to be fairly responsive, but most of that time fel…

Self hosting is fine... but only for an internal instance. The release cycle is pretty extreme, with a critical security update seemingly popping up every two weeks. I mean that's better than not patching the issues, but it still means you have to stay on top of it. Having an internal/private network instance doesn't actually help you all that much, but it still gives you a little more breathing room.

(and I know it might contradict my earlier comment saying that Github's release velocity is a plus, but it doesn't. Most gitlab releases don't introduce useful features, they mostly patch security issues and regressions. For example, the Runners are in a dire need of tons of features and an outright rework of some parts, but barely get any. Which is sad since they were so far ahead of the competition not so long ago.)

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by lopkeny12ko »

Contrary to the common opinion here, I've really enjoyed using GitLab and don't see many problems with it.

Lot of the comments here complaining about pricing. Please remember that GitLab's core is open source. If you think the managed offering is too expensive, just host an instance yourself. This is what I have been doing at home for years, and my company at work for even longer.

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by mardifoufs »

stabbles wrote: post #83
chainwax wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless Actions has gotten a lot more fleshed out since I last used it, I don't think it's as robust as Gitlab CI.

- Github Action's design is much better, just look at [1] for example, there's a lot of low-hanging fruit in Gitlab that's not done for some reason - I've had tons of issues with their kubernetes runners, hard to debug spurious system failures - They still don't display the last N bytes of the logs when logs get long, just the first N bytes, which is entirely useless when a build fails - It's awfully slow to navigate…

Oh my god their kubernetes runners are a nightmare sometimes. Even the configuration is arcane and the parameters can overlap, or not. It's crazy.

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by tjoff »

kiratp wrote: post #105
megous wrote: post #95

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At $29 * 7 * 12 per year it became way cheaper for us to just piece together functionality we needed from nginx+cgit+homegrown database to store users/repos/acl/push info and a few git hooks written in a few lines of PHP. The cost is now independent of the number of developers using the system. So far it did cost ~1 month of paying for github in dev time and I can't imagine it costing much more when we'll want to add…

A developer costs about 250K a year all up. That doesn’t include opportunity cost. 49, 40 hour weeks a year = $127.55 an hour. 29* 7 * 12 / (127.55) = 19.09 hours If it takes you more than 2.3 dev days (100% productive) you’re negative ROI doing it yourself. This math doesn’t even factor in the opportunity cost of doing this.

That assume that gitlab is friction free and takes zero time to use?

Maybe something like gitea+teamcity solution is better and cheaper and has less opportunity cost?

I like gitlab, but it feels they have been walking in the wrong direction for many many years and the consequences are starting to pile up.

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by naet »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #165

Contrary to the common opinion here, I've really enjoyed using GitLab and don't see many problems with it. Lot of the comments here complaining about pricing. Please remember that GitLab's core is open source. If you think the managed offering is too expensive, just host an instance yourself. This is what I have been doing at home for years, and my company at work for even longer.

My small company pays for GitLab and I don't see the bill directly, but I definitely have enjoyed working with GitLab. GitHub actions may be catching up but GitLab ci/cd tools have worked great for a while now for us.

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by mardifoufs »

hardwaresofton wrote: post #134
stabbles wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Github Action's design is much better, just look at [1] for example, there's a lot of low-hanging fruit in Gitlab that's not done for some reason - I've had tons of issues with their kubernetes runners, hard to debug spurious system failures - They still don't display the last N bytes of the logs when logs get long, just the first N bytes, which is entirely useless when a build fails - It's awfully slow to navigate…

> Github has many more reusable actions from the community, I don't think Gitlab has that at all? At least not in a convenient way. This is the big one. Github’s ability and dominance in the social space means they have the most active actions ecosystems. They made actions easier to import share and built marketplaces and now gobs of developers build value into it just for clout (and because they enjoy software of co…

YES! We are getting awfully tempted to move at least my AI team to Github. We don't want to dedicate someone to figure out CI/CD/MLops pipelines, which would mostly amount to translating existing, published, official github action pipelines to something that can work on Gitlab. Our devops teams can help, but when in our case we need a pretty domain specific pipeline setup. Most of the pipeline related docs for Azure ML, for example, is based around very extensive github actions templates. It would take minutes to just deploy it there.

I mean in this particular case, it's unfair since microsoft would obviously favor github. But it's not like there's a marketplace where a community made version could be used as a replacement...

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by Petersipoi »

meghan_rain wrote: post #116
mettamage wrote: post #113

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> A developer costs about 250K a year all up. I currently cost more like 80K in euro's if I reason from my employer's side. So tell me, how are you getting to the 250K exactly? Europe exists as well and even in the US there are enough companies that don't pay FAANG salaries.

Don't tell them it becomes 40k after taxes or people here won't believe you.

Software Engineers work for $40k net in Europe? Genuinely asking.
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