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Re: Microsoft Designer

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Post by MikusR »

smileybarry wrote: post #115
smcl wrote: post #96

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Microsoft also seem keen to deprecate two other simple Windows applications - Paint (being replaced with "Paint 3D") and Snipping Tool (to be replaced with "Snip & Sketch"). I don't understand it, it feels like they've started with the question "ok what if we replaced $tool?" rather than "what does $tool need to do?"

Paint 3D itself was deprecated later and Paint was un-deprecated, it's just updated by the store now. (It even has a Windows 11 redesign!) Snipping Tool was deprecated, but everything at this point was ported over to the (arguably better) "new" Snipping Tool, and it just got screen(/area) recording too.

Sniping tool also was deprecated. It even at one point had a message and link to Snip & Sketch.

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #56
colonwqbang wrote: post #39

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I was also about to make a snide remark about teams but at this point it's more tragedy than comedy.

Bashing Teams is tooo much of a low hanging fruit at this point.

It’s better than Slack now.

I grimaced when we started using Slack back in 2016: those ~200ms UI delays between switching conversation tabs (and the ~3s freezes when switching accounts) were incredibly grating - but we hoped they’d fix the worst user-facing parts of Electron (and the excessive RAM usage) but 7 years later it’s still as bad as it’s always been.

What’s their excuse?

Re: Microsoft Designer

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Post by buzbe_uk »

I wish Microsoft would finish something before going off to build something else.

My team are desparate for Microsoft Loop Workspaces to launch so we can get off Notion and be integrated into one platform. Where has that project gone? Again - another jazzy page and no launch.

M$'s history is littered with these types of launches and vapourware. Someone should teach them how to manage a product properly.

and don't get me started on how they keep renaming everything, is it Cortana, is it Viva? IDFK!

Re: Microsoft Designer

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Post by booleandilemma »

323 wrote: post #136
rvz wrote: post #86

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What artists? They will just move to physical art pieces and charge more for that once commissioned to do that. This only affects digital artists; not those who do physical art, sculptures and hard back paintings. HN only tells me that almost none of you have even visited a modern art museum.

It won't be long until they connect AI to a robot with a paintbrush in it's hand.

This is it. If anything you could say the hard part is already solved.

Re: Microsoft Designer

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Post by MikusR »

hulitu wrote: post #34
calciphus wrote: post #12

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Wait I'm genuinely curious: what's wrong with Calculator?

It is half the screen, hard to use with a mouse, gray on gray, slow to start.

Even at 800x600 it's not half the screen. Starts at about the same time as the old one. Is black on white. The old one is blue on blue. usage with mouse is the same as the old one. Even the math engine is literally the same.

Re: Microsoft Designer

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #50
twalichiewicz wrote: post #30

The current design ideas in MS products are terrible so I doubt how much AI can help that. I AM curious to see how design tools evolve to work with all this new AI tech being integrated. I wonder how long is left before pixel pushing is just for final polish and a designer's role shifts to focus on properly explaining the nuance of a problem to a chatbot. Soon we'll all be Celery Man ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v…

>The current design ideas in MS products are terrible so I doubt how much AI can help that. you mean - the problem with Microsoft is they have no taste?

Some divisions seem to have a coherent visual design strategy like Office and, to a lesser extent, DeDiv (though obviously hamstrung by lacking time to update all the old dialogs). The Windows Org, though, is a mess - and I also fault the upper-execs for not bashing their heads together.

I think there’s only been two points in the company’s history when the stars aligned and all their main products (Windows, Office, Visual Studio) were aesthetically coherent: 1998 and 2005.

Re: Microsoft Designer

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Post by smcl »

MikusR wrote: post #161
smileybarry wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paint 3D itself was deprecated later and Paint was un-deprecated, it's just updated by the store now. (It even has a Windows 11 redesign!) Snipping Tool was deprecated, but everything at this point was ported over to the (arguably better) "new" Snipping Tool, and it just got screen(/area) recording too.

Sniping tool also was deprecated. It even at one point had a message and link to Snip & Sketch.

It still has this message

edit: actually I'm on Windows 10 still, maybe it's different in Windows 11

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Post by jimbokun »

anileated wrote: post #158
hiisukun wrote: post #48

I feel a deep sadness, a sympathy, or sense of loss for the countless artists who have toiled to produce beautiful works over the decades (centuries?), just for them to be approximated by a single click as a vector mashup in an AI generative search space. And without so much as a by your leave. I'm not saying it's logical to be against AI image generation, but definitely have a feeling that something has gone wrong h…

By way of OpenAI, Microsoft is attempting the biggest triple-E bait-and-switch in its history—this time not against open-source developers but anyone who was silly enough to share creative work in the open. Worst of all, the majority here seems to be hailing them for this. My take as to what exactly has gone wrong here is that it’s loss of attribution. I think this is quite intentional: given relevant metadata, the n…

I’m not sure how you track attribution through a billion or so floating point values.

Re: Microsoft Designer

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Post by ModernMech »

ChatGTP wrote: post #152
ModernMech wrote: post #149

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I went through the same exercise recently, and came to a different conclusion. I’m blown away, and I can see how this is the future, and it’s a good thing. While I agree the current state of affairs isn’t great, we have to look past today to where things are going. As far as I can tell tools like Midjourney do enable an iterative creative process. It’s more like painting with a pinball machine than directly with brus…

You're conflating the two concepts sorry, there is using new technologies to make art, I totally see the merit and value in this. Then there is making money from other peoples work, making a knock off machine. A service exists which allows people to rip off other artists work and pass it off as their own and hide that fact in the fact it's "generated". Some artists styles are so prolific, so great that if you're just…

I don’t think I’m conflating anything. What I’m saying is that the tool is there now, and while it can be used to blatantly rip off other people’s work, the tool can also be used creatively, and in a way that doesn’t rip anyone off.

So while the ripping off isn’t great, that’s something which can be fixed, and you’ve given a great suggestion on how to do so. But in the meantime, the tech is advancing, and digging in our heels isn’t an option. The upside is far too great to society imo. The legal and social environment will normalize around it, but it isn’t going away.

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