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Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by parker_mountain »

lchengify wrote: post #23

For those of you who haven't already, I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching from HP to Brother for your home printing needs. I was a HP customer for decades . I had models going back to perforated paper dot-matrix printers. Finally last year I had a down-and-out fight to get my HP to do a basic task, and I bit the bullet and ordered a Brother at the recommendation of my friend. My mfc-l3750cdw Broth…

about 7 years ago, i bought a brother mfc laser for $200

about a year ago, the drum gave out. it cost me $40 to replace

over those 7 years, i printed about 2000 pages: somewhat less than 1 page a day

take from what that what you will

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by deely3 »

mettamage wrote: post #148

I’m fed up with hp too and know nothing about printers m. I read a lot about brother and epson. Is that what you would recommend? I need to print 50 pages per year. I feel really clueless

I bought inkjet Canon Pixma with refilling tanks and Im pretty happy with it. I print colorful A4 every day, sometime bw pages, recently printed two b/w books and one colorful. I use it for two years and so far I spent like $8-12 on ink refills.

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by usrusr »

lbwtaylor wrote: post #109
rektide wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a flagged post on EcoTank yesterday, that was basically an ad with no news. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35040214 My comment is currently I believe the top comment there, talking about how these things have a designed-to-fail Ink Waste Tank or Ink Waste Pad, and an internal Ink Counter that locks up the printer after a certain amount of printing. I'm not 100% absolutely certain, but I've ran into nu…

> designed-to-fail Ink Waste Tank or Ink Waste Pad Then buy one with a replaceable pad like the Epson 5150. The replacement costs....drum roll ... $10. My last color laser had a non serviceable fuser rated for 20,000 pages and that's what I got out of it. I replaced it with a color ecotank and it's just a better product. Look up the price of my ink vs the price of comparible color toner and there is simply no compari…

There is no ink economy improvement that cannot be countered in favor of dry toner with an even lower printing frequency. Printing frequency used to be thought in pages per day, now it can be years per page and still be too high to forego having a printer. I have toner that would last decades for my old Samsung, unfortunately some element of paper transport ceased working.

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by Oxidation »

imgabe wrote: post #114
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is you'd expect companies should also compete to remove such anti-features in order to claim market share from competitors. It's strange how rare that is.

They do. You can see people recommending Brother printers right here in this thread. I also switched to a Brother black and white laser printer years ago and never had another printing problem. Later I found a Brother color laser printer at an estate sale and used that for years (didn't really need color, but it was a good deal). I don't know what the actual numbers are, but if I had to guess I'd say Brother has been…

And apparently they are now doing a face-heel turn and joining the lockout party. Hopefully mine lasts forever, even though I keep feeding it eBay toner!

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by vasco »

Algemarin wrote: post #29

What I find notable whenever something like this is in the news, is that these user-hostile features don't just manifest through abiogenesis, or spontaneous generation. User-hostile features are created by people. Just once, I would like to see an AMA by someone who was directly involved in creating a user-hostile feature - whether it's locking down printers or any of the countless other examples that come up on a we…

End of the day the sentiment shifts to "people are not forced to buy my products and if they do anyway, why wouldn't we extract as much from the market as we can for the work we already did", which is a fair position to have. You did some work, if you can sell it for 10 instead of 5 and make them come back to you instead of a random when they need help, why not?

You'd be surprised how easy is to change your mind when it's your own work or company, yet still be outraged at others when they do it. It's very common.

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by jp0d »

Foobar8568 wrote: post #159
jp0d wrote: post #154

Has anyone used Kyocera or Lexmark laser printers? I was considering buying a laser printer and HP was on the bottom of my list to consider. Thanks to their action I can exclude that option.

I have a Kyocera P5021cdn, I can't complain but I am not a power user, it has been there for a bit over than one year, I wanted a "cheap"/network printer with a perceive good quality.

Thanks mate. I'm in Australia and have seen these products online. Most of of them have good reviews. Could I bother you with a few more questions?

1. Have you replaced the toner yet? Does it accept non-brand toners (like the ones from InkStation?)?

2. Does the printer come with a full toner? As it with 100% capacity or does it only come with 20 to 30% like some of the other brands?

3. Being a colour printer, does it work only with the black toner if don't need colour prints?

Thank you!

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by sundvor »

midoridensha wrote: post #140
sundvor wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia is on the same voltage and frequency (230v/50hz) as Norway, just need a straight plug adaptor. My Rotel system from 1997 is humming along just fine to this date. :)

Right, it depends on which two places you're moving between. Your device probably won't work well in North America, for instance, or in Japan. (In NA, it might be workable if the device doesn't care about line frequency since it's 60Hz there. In Japan, it'll work if 200V is close enough, but that's a significant difference from 230V. And the line frequency is only the same if you're in Tokyo or east of it.)

I must admit I never knew about the line frequency, thanks! It's sort of random that it was the same.

Aus voltages are a bit up and down; it's actually around 243v at my place, according to my UPSes. I use an APC Voltage regulator in front of my main one.

Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by [deleted] »

hallway_monitor wrote: post #45
lchengify wrote: post #23

For those of you who haven't already, I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching from HP to Brother for your home printing needs. I was a HP customer for decades . I had models going back to perforated paper dot-matrix printers. Finally last year I had a down-and-out fight to get my HP to do a basic task, and I bit the bullet and ordered a Brother at the recommendation of my friend. My mfc-l3750cdw Broth…

I have been using brother laser printers for years. You can get them on sale for $100 and they last a decade. Recommended.

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Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by haylem »

I'm honestly a bit confused by the comments.

I've had and installed only 5 home printers over my entire life (excluding professional printers at works)

One was an already refurbished dinosaur from Xerox. 1 was a canon (would have to look for the model). The other 3 are HP LaserJet 100 Color MFP M175nw.

All 5 have lasted over 10 years, the MFPs being the youngest at 12 years. That Xerox one was still going with after 20, it was just slow. And 1 of the HPs may be replaced for that reason, as apparently waiting 20s for a page is now too long for my family members, which I can't fathom for a single page of paper once in a while.

Not a single technical issue with any of these.

Not a huge test sample, but that makes me wonder:

1/ What do you people do with their printers?

During the most active period, I printed about 2000 pages / year, which was already too much, and was mostly because of the kids when they were younger and when someone I knew had to deal with a lot of paperwork with an administration, and maybe one year when finishing my studies where I printed a crap load of reports.

2/ What's the failure rate on these things??

3/ When did we decide that "over a decade" is an achievement to be noteworthy for any piece of equipment worth a decent amount of money?

EDIT: My only gripe was the disappearance of ChromePrint. That bugged me quite a bit. Unrelated to the printers, though. Those MFPs work fine with HP Print, default print drivers, CUPS, etc... on Windows/Mac/Linux/Android/iOS.

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