Common Lisp Implementations in 2023

Post by kazinator » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 7:28 PM UTC

oblio wrote: post #129

kgwgk wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In case it was not clear I was referring to this literal quote from the linked article: "The professional and enterprise licenses do not really make sense for anyone" which does indeed convey a more negative tone than this literal quote from the comment that I replied to: "the pricing model which may work for established company ready to invest money from the start"

Ah, I was looking at the wrong quote. However, I think techies are too nitpicky. In casual use "everyone" or "anyone" do not mean: "I literally asked everyone on the surface of the planet". And he's not wrong. Unless you have a preexisting commitment to Lisp and ecosystem or your needs are so specific that you need this precise piece of software, you won't use it.

Post by orthecreedence » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 7:49 PM UTC

kazinator wrote: post #153

orthecreedence wrote: post #151

Sad to see Clozure CL abandoned, that was my main squeeze back in my lisp days (I was on Windows and SBCL wasn't cut out for it at the time). How's SBCL on Windows these days?

CCL is not "abandoned". I recently brushed the dust off an application that I last released in 2014. It uses CCL on Windows. I was pleased to see there is a recent new version from 2021. I upgraded to that and did some new work, making new releases.

Post by lispm » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 8:29 PM UTC

varjag wrote: post #160

oblio wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, his needs are probably better handled by Java or .NET or Go or whatever. And that's how Lisp atrophies. The complaint is a valid one.

Enterprise Java licenses are charged per developer seat, just saying.

Post by kjs3 » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 8:52 PM UTC

fsckboy wrote: post #159

andsoitis wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You wrote of LispWorks: “ The professional and enterprise licenses do not really make sense for anyone” Perhaps a question I would ask is what are you trying to convey with this statement? It appears to be quite subjective.

You quote him saying "The professional and enterprise licenses do not really make sense for anyone" your quote is the definition of "out of context", you left out his colon leading to the rest of his sentence where he explains what he means, i.e. what you are asking. "The professional and enterprise licenses do not really make sense for anyone: you will have to buy separate licenses for every..." ...now, I'm not quot…

Post by SiVal » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 9:10 PM UTC

lispegistus wrote: post #90

can3p wrote: post #6

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I think every programmer that tries common lisp eventually comes to the same conclusion, however none of the new versions of "standard" libraries got any traction to my knowledge. Usually it's used only by the author who created it which makes their code unique in some sense, like a recent post from Ron Garret [0]. The spec is really valued by cl community and I guess I'll tell an unpopular opinion now, but I think t…

What part of Common Lisp would you consider old cruft and what value would removing it bring to the language that would offset the value we have from having one of the most stable language definitions still in use? I can think of a few dusty parts of the language that are rarely used today but it's perfectly safe to ignore. Lisp has a good all purpose library ecosystem, it's just informal rather than baked into the l…