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So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

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Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

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Post by pabs3 »

armini wrote: post #121
karaterobot wrote: post #7

In my unasked-for opinion, he should absolutely give up on this project, and take a salaried job that'll let him support his family and not have to deal with the entitlement issues and lack of perspective the community evidently has. If half of what's in this post is true, he's shown admirable restraint: I'd have burned it all down the first time someone got pissy about a free thing I gave them.

Maintainers like Denis shouldn't be asking for donations, they should be sponsored the same way Nike sponsors athletes. If you're a burnt out open source maintainer or know someone who is, I'd love to talk to you. My job is to help create awareness about the issue with companies that depend on your package. I reached out to Denis because we all know he deserves better. Appreciate any leads you could additionally shar…

Edit: I see you work for thanks.dev, which doesn't seem like it would cover the projects I mention below. I leave my original comment in case anyone else is interested in sponsoring the things I mention.

I'd like to find sponsors for a few non-web-related projects. In particular the Linux USB Gadgets userspace stack (libusbgx/gt/gadgetd/etc), a library for the Microsoft PST email format (libpst) and a tool for running linters/etc (check-all-the-things). Happy to chat about these over email.

https://github.com/linux-usb-gadgets https://github.com/pst-format/libpst https://github.com/collab-qa/check-all-the-things

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

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Post by biorach »

white_dragon88 wrote: post #130
cyral wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - The idea that companies would pay for a JS library that is patching browser support is wild. Companies make more money by having their websites work in older browsers. If it wasn't for core-js, they would be paying developer time to write polyfills or compile and maintain them from various other single polyfill packages. Surely if they are willing to pay developers to do this in return for increased profits they…

Polyfills aren’t some dark art, a 2nd year comp sci student could write them quickly as needed.

dunning kreuger strikes again

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

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Post by white_dragon88 »

yunohn wrote: post #139
white_dragon88 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Polyfills aren’t some dark art, a 2nd year comp sci student could write them quickly as needed.

Your attitude/POV is common, and yet no one has built a comparable competitor to core-js? Maybe you are wrong then, and could show some empathy.

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Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

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Post by nailer »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #152

This guy should make a pro version, you want the absolute latest pollyfills, you have to be a paid supporter of the project. Otherwise your polyfills lag a year behind.

I think Ghostscript did that successfully. A year old version is automatically Open Source, anything else you pay for.

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

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Post by newswasboring »

kilburn wrote: post #131
nevernude wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the thing is he DID ask for help, quite a few times and was only met with the hate and vitriol you mentioned. Depressing indeed.

You have to ask to the appropriate forum though, and that's what he got completely wrong. Getting npm to scream for help when a developer installs your package is equivalent to asking your peer for a raise. I'd say that over 99.999% of the people who saw that message, created memes about it, etc.. did not have a corporate credit card and the power to use it at their discretion. If you want money from corps, THOSE are…

How do you even ask a corporation for money? Cold emailing?

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

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Post by slowmotiony »

armini wrote: post #121
karaterobot wrote: post #7

In my unasked-for opinion, he should absolutely give up on this project, and take a salaried job that'll let him support his family and not have to deal with the entitlement issues and lack of perspective the community evidently has. If half of what's in this post is true, he's shown admirable restraint: I'd have burned it all down the first time someone got pissy about a free thing I gave them.

Maintainers like Denis shouldn't be asking for donations, they should be sponsored the same way Nike sponsors athletes. If you're a burnt out open source maintainer or know someone who is, I'd love to talk to you. My job is to help create awareness about the issue with companies that depend on your package. I reached out to Denis because we all know he deserves better. Appreciate any leads you could additionally shar…

I don't know, I don't think Nike will sponsor athletes who, despite the war, returned to Russia solely due to better financial prospects.

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

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Post by aembleton »

querulous wrote: post #143
yunohn wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your attitude/POV is common, and yet no one has built a comparable competitor to core-js? Maybe you are wrong then, and could show some empathy.

it works fine and there's someone happy to do it for free. why would anyone try to compete with it?

To mitigate the risk of a supply chain attack.

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

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Post by aembleton »

Whiteshadow12 wrote: post #154

Daily reminder that humans are not good to each other (this doesn't mean we don't have the ability to be good to each other, but we generally are not)

How does Wikipedia or Open Street Map work if in general we are not good to each other?

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

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Post by imiric »

nevernude wrote: post #33
scrollaway wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> employees decide how the funds get appropriated. E.g. by popularity, relevance, love, or whatever other criteria feels right FWIW this is not the way. Distributing based on these criteria means most of the funding will go to those who already receive most of the funding. It does not solve the XKCD/2347 problem, which is exactly what this guy is encountering : People who maintain unknown software, software you don't…

At this risk of some self promotion, we developed StackAid ( https://stackaid.us ) to help fund the long tail of open source because of the exact problems you mentioned. People only tend to remember the popular/direct dependencies.

This is a great project, thanks for creating it.

Am I interpreting it right, and your service acts as an escrow? Even though you seem to solve the payment headaches, I'm not sure I'd trust a middle-man to do the right thing in these matters. Would it be possible to use your tool entirely offline and just get a list of dependencies, and suggested payment per month for each depending on available funds? And then allow me to tweak it depending on whatever criteria I want, similar to the Humble Bundle sliders?

Getting the payments out to every project would be a hassle that you already solve, but I think it would be preferable to deal with those than with a centralized service that everyone depends on.

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