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We have the same problem in Telluride. I have to pay an extra 20k to get an upgraded circuit to charge my Rivian when I am already under the limit.
If it costs you 20k to upgrade a circuit, your story is missing some important details.
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If it costs you 20k to upgrade a circuit, your story is missing some important details.
This sort of thing can easily spiral to needing a new main power line due to the increased amp requirements.
$20k is "gut and rewire everything in an expensive metro area" kind of money.
Libertarians: this is why we have building codes. We don't need builders cutting corners and harming people years down the road, because profit convinced them that was the right thing to do for their own interests.
The cost of wiring up a hallway and putting in some outlets is only a small fraction of the cost of a new house but when you have dozens and dozens of these types of requirements, it does drive up the cost for a benefit that exists at a much lower level than when the requirements was added.
One of the suggestions was that if a homeowner didn't like the requirements, they could petition the authors of the International Residential Code for an amendment during the next release of the code manual in three years. This sounds reasonable to bureaucratic authoritarians but isn't something an individual should be required to go through just because they're not interested in living in a 1970s shag carpeted retro wonderland.
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Well, the code is always overzealous (never met an exception), and the smaller the house the more overzealous it is. If it wasn't, we would have a much easier time persecuting people that breaks it, and much more public sympathy for large culprits that actually have much fewer (relatively to their capacity) strings over then than any random person. The same applies to fire codes.
> The same applies to fire codes. As someone who has been close to almost-tragedies caused by fires, can you give me examples where fire codes are over-zealous? I've had family almost getting killed, even though they did follow the fire codes - the didn't even get a fine or a case against them. If you ask me, the fire codes were not strict enough in that instance.
Spooked me enough to make me not get permits for the next renos. Too many arbitrary rules that can make projects spiral without any real safety improvement.
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Well, the code is always overzealous (never met an exception), and the smaller the house the more overzealous it is. If it wasn't, we would have a much easier time persecuting people that breaks it, and much more public sympathy for large culprits that actually have much fewer (relatively to their capacity) strings over then than any random person. The same applies to fire codes.
> The same applies to fire codes. As someone who has been close to almost-tragedies caused by fires, can you give me examples where fire codes are over-zealous? I've had family almost getting killed, even though they did follow the fire codes - the didn't even get a fine or a case against them. If you ask me, the fire codes were not strict enough in that instance.
My wife has worked in the 'enforcing building codes' sector of engineering for her entire career. And it's so frustrating to watch. Everyone - everyone - is certain that the codes are all overzealous and their little thing needs an exception. Politicians get elected promising to 'get rid of the red tape'. And then an event occurs and we learn why these building codes exist. Like workplace safety rules, they are writt…
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This sort of thing can easily spiral to needing a new main power line due to the increased amp requirements.
Yes. But the price of those combined should still be nearly an order of magnitude cheaper than $20k. $20k is "gut and rewire everything in an expensive metro area" kind of money.
Plus, lots of places require these to be buried. So you've got trenching costs and that's a pain too. $20k is definitely within the ballpark of a cost.
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This sort of thing can easily spiral to needing a new main power line due to the increased amp requirements.
Yes. But the price of those combined should still be nearly an order of magnitude cheaper than $20k. $20k is "gut and rewire everything in an expensive metro area" kind of money.
If you need to upgrade your panel it can easily cost $100k.
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Is it more than 1 story? Then run, don't walk, away. Don't do tall buildings in seismic zones without the benefit of an incredible amount of engineering practice, inspections, audits, and enforcement. If you suspect the locals are corrupt, your safest place during an earthquake is a straw hut or reasonable facsimile thereof.
Japanese and Taiwanese buildings taller than a single story seem to fare fine.
>[. . .] without the benefit of an incredible amount of engineering practice, inspections, audits, and enforcement.
To be fair to Turkey's builders - 800 year old castles in the quake zone were completely destroyed. So this was a once in a thousand years event basically, otherwise the castles would have been destroyed long ago. Very very hard to plan for this kind of thing.