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GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by kahrl »

imperialdrive wrote: post #115
kahrl wrote: post #51

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You must not have to use Teams much at work. It really is that bad!

I daresay you have little career experience, and must be an extremely entitled, fragile person if you think it "really is that bad."

I have been using it at my company since 2017 when it REALLY WAS that bad. We were even coming from Slack. But it has been years since I was actually inconvenienced by it.

In it's current state, it is NOT an inconvenience that rises to the level of leaving a company. I'm saying it would be idiotic, childish, and extremely entitled to leave Microsoft over the company's choice of video conferencing software.

And this is coming non-Microsoft employees with no skin, complaining about a company policy they will never have to experience.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by guluarte »

rockostrich wrote: post #158
guluarte wrote: post #122

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we use discord, it's is way better for real time communication than slack, for everything non-urgent we just use email

Doesn't discord have some pretty serious security flaws and questionable data collection policies for use as a private commercial messaging platform? For small teams that aren't too concerned about that it seems fine. Personally my group of a couple dozen friends and I use it for pretty much all of our communication because we don't care much about privacy in that context. But for any company larger than a couple doz…

it does, but sensite projects defenitly i wont use discord, neither slack nor zoom.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by AndrewVos »

aliqot wrote: post #152
AndrewVos wrote: post #148

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In that case, what a sad, pathetic weak-minded little man he is. A good reminder why I shouldn’t come to hacker news anymore.

What I said was a guess based on my contextual perception of the unknown term 'spectrumite', not a literal explanation.

No I think you’re right.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by danudey »

kimbernator wrote: post #72

How is it possible that Teams is still such a poor product? I really didn't like it when my job switched like 6 years ago, and I don't recall ever feeling that it improved in any meaningful way. I switched jobs to one using Slack and it's not perfect but it is a lot better. It's almost a meme at this point. In the presence of other clients that have gotten it "right" (or at least more "right" than teams) like Slack,…

I did the same. Teams on my brand new (in 2019) laptop with 32 GB of RAM had vastly, vastly worse performance than even the web version of Excel. Slack, when I started using it more than ten years ago, was vastly more usable than Teams is today, or will likely be in five years.

> Surely they could afford to revamp this product and reap the rewards of people not hating using their tools?

It's not a business priority. Management is sold on Teams by integration with their existing services, as well as security, compartmentalization, and so on. They're not sold on "this is a polished product that people enjoy using".

And when you look at the spec sheet, Teams is an awesome piece of software. It can replace Zoom, phone calls, Slack, file sharing and collaboration, and so on. It can even replace e-mail to some extent, though if you're working at a company that's mandating Teams there's a good chance that your company has a strong e-mail culture and people are still going to e-mail you all the time for no good reason.

Anyway yeah, Teams is just the worst.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by f154hfds »

cpuguy83 wrote: post #52
jmclnx wrote: post #7

No surprise here, but I wish almost anyone else purchased github instead of Microsoft. One can hope the founders will eventually pull a "MySQL" --> "mariadb" :) I wonder when github developers will be forced to moved from Linux to Windows ?

Microsoft employee here. I was actually handed a MacBook Pro on day 1, I didn't even ask for it my manager at the time just assumed. There is a large community inside Microsoft using Linux as their daily driver.

Same here. Work for MSFT, use a Mac Pro for work. They did give me the option between surface and mac, and recommended me use the mac because we were working on unix OSes with some ability to build/test on Darwin directly.

This was before M1 though, since we're building for x86-64 arch exclusively I likely will never move to an M1 device.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by danudey »

vhcr wrote: post #144
w0m wrote: post #50

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That's overtly harsh take I think. Teams has issues; but asking employees of a company to use said companies tools internally isn't necessarily a bad thing. Hard to improve without dogfooding.

"Teams has issues" is an understatement, the app will sometimes notify you that you have a new message, and when you try to open it from the web page, it won't show up, but if you force refresh it will. Or it will show up on the mobile client, but not on the web one.

The number of times I've had to hold a conversation via Teams on my phone instead of on the desktop because the chat on the desktop just refused to update... ugh, geez.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by avmich »

eganist wrote: post #153
sofixa wrote: post #139

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Because it's by far the worst UX-wise. If you know better tools, it's just shit. To add insult to injury, it kind of sort of works, sometimes, but there are tons of small problems here and there all the time in many cases. I had to use it only for video calls for 3 years, and probably weekly there was something wrong like restart needed because it screwed up my audio.

> Because it's by far the worst laughs in WebEx

I for some time had way worse experience with GMeet.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by knewter »

gautamdivgi wrote: post #129
ralph84 wrote: post #11

Somewhat ironic that a company that’s entire existence was based on the idea of giving developers great tools no longer values giving its own developers great tools. Only a matter of time before this new attitude towards developers shows up in the product.

My Teams works fine on my Mac without issues. Have been using it for over a year now. Fwiw - I don’t understand why it’s hated. It’s a collaboration tool - mainly messaging and conferencing. It’s been decent at that for me.

You haven't used it on Linux perhaps, or perhaps you aren't aware that it was spying on Android users?
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