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Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles

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Re: Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles

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Post by jcadam »

feteru wrote: post #86
jcadam wrote: post #70

Was once a senior engineer at a small-ish office of a fairly large company. We had a particularly high-strung junior engineer that was prone to throwing fits if he didn't get his way. Apparently, one day, he threatened to quit for another offer. He was placated with some trivial pay increase and promotion to lead engineer (essentially leap-frogging the other seniors in the office in title - but not in pay). Except no…

Oh boy, how did that play out? I feel as though it's a give a mouse a cookie situation with people power tripping like that, I can't imagine it resolving well until they leave...

I left the company not long after that, so I don't really know how it ultimately played out :)

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Post by adrr »

NegativeK wrote: post #140
Xeoncross wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just semantics, you're not compelled to stay and work for someone who is low-balling you.

Employers can just fire people who falsify time sheets. Or take money from the register.

And they can have the employee prosecuted. Just let the inverse happen when employers steal from employees.

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Post by burkaman »

reidjs wrote: post #82

There's more nuance to this topic than "Company bad! They trick dumb labor into a bad deal!" Money isn't the only form of compensation a job can provide. Give a low level worker a $0.43 cent raise, and they won't give a crap, it's not enough to change anything. But give them an 'employee of the month' medal and a new title, arguably worth much less than $0.43 cents, and they may actually prefer it! It's something for…

I challenge you to find a single person making less than $40,000 who would rather get a new title and no overtime pay ever again vs. $2000 extra per year.

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Post by maerF0x0 »

I've long thought that companies should have mandatory hours reporting and limits on Salary positions. That is they must collect the actual hours worked by people of that title in their company, and report it to candidates.

$250K for 35hrs a week at a casual company vs $375K at a 996 ByteDance, I know which side of that equation I'd choose.

Re: Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles

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Post by maerF0x0 »

shepardrtc wrote: post #23

I worked at a university in Florida that did this to me. I was being made to work overtime on a few software projects and making a nice little amount of extra money. Then one day I found out that I was being "promoted" to a manager title. No raise or any extra benefits, but I was no longer allowed to get overtime. It was part of a campus-wide initiative to cut costs. And now that I was a manager I was expected to wor…

I'm old enough to recall the subtle bait and switch we've done. 8 to 5 phrase used to be 9-5.

The fact is the majority of the work day is wasted, just like I waste ghz all the time because it's cheap, why wouldn't employers waste your time if it's free?

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Post by bmitc »

bawolff wrote: post #128
kennend3 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can simply step back and watch what is taking place in Canada right now. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/federal-union-wants-4... Because it is not going anywhere, they had an independent body get involved, their commentary says it all: "The union’s proposals “do not appear realistic for what should be a fairly advanced stage of negotiations. The numerous proposals are not focused and they would result in…

> would result in an increase to compensation far beyond what is reasonable Its a negotiation. The union asking for the highest number it can get is what its supposed to do.

> Its a negotiation.

Only relevant in a spirit-like sense, but reading this line immediately reminded me of this scene in Intolerable Cruelty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PpQk63iIWw

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Post by maerF0x0 »

alar44 wrote: post #78
dopylitty wrote: post #44

I’ve said it before but I’ll keep pounding the drum that the FLSA needs to be completely rewritten. Any work more than 8 hours in a day should result in overtime pay regardless of type of work or base salary. It’s ridiculous that companies can force people to work 24/7 with no extra pay just because those people happen to work with computers or in "knowledge" work. And even developers/IT folks are largely not making…

It's not that simple though. I'm an IT Director. A good chunk of my time is just thinking and not doing. It's impossible to measure the amount of work I do in a day because I'm thinking about stuff when I shower, or am walking the dog etc. Do I sit at my laptop 8 hours a day? Fuck no. Do I work 8 hours a day? Probably, but it's hard to say. I can't say "I worked for 9.5 hours today" because it's impossible to measure…

> It's impossible to measure the amount of work I do in a day because I'm thinking about stuff when I shower, or am walking the dog etc.

This is why work from home was such a boon. Finally i could have shower thoughts on company time. Finally I could get away from the incompetent coworkers who kept asking me to do their job for them... some days I'd literally help others till 5PM and then start my job when they went home. And then my boss would say "You missed your delivery" and Id be like yea, but the 10 people who cant function without me hit theirs... Somehow that lesson wasn't part of their MBA.

(I'm always happy to help those who are truly trying and willing to do the work!)

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Post by ska »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #145
ska wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One hint is that you only see this in jurisdictions without strong labor laws around PTO. Some places, you have to give at least X weeks accrued a year for all full time employees (might be laddered by tenure) and you have to allow them at least Y continuous days/weeks per year; they may also have to to spend all of their accrued time within a short-ish window (limited rollover). In this sort of environment, I've nev…

Intercom are headquartered in Ireland, and have unlimited PTO. When I interviewed with them, the recruiter said she averaged about 4 weeks a year (which is below the legal minimum). You do have to take the leave within the first quarter if the year following.

> he recruiter said she averaged about 4 weeks a year (which is below the legal minimum)

how does that work?

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Post by devnullbrain »

throwaway181747 wrote: post #90

Much like how coders like to call themselves "engineers" - a term that has actual accreditation and certifications attached to it, but somehow not in the computer science space, weird.

I always call myself a software engineer, hoping to bait someone like you so I can reveal I actually do have an engineering degree.

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Post by BonoboIO »

willcipriano wrote: post #10

I worked for a restaurant that did this to me. To make sure I hit the "minimum hours" (when you start talking about hours vs tasks or responsibilities you probably aren't getting into a legitimate salary arrangement) they would have me clock in and out, and I'd get pay stubs with 40 hours (less if I worked less) and the overtime hours paid at $0. They withheld my last paycheck when I quit and stopped responding to my…

20 Grand ... like 20.000$

WOW. That’s a nice surprise.

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