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Re: Reversing UK mobile rail tickets

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Good luck finding out ahead of time whether your foreign card is going to be accepted by the system. Also seems difficult for children who don't generally have credit cards.

Children travel for free on transport for london

>=11 year olds need to for example pay for the tube: https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/free-and-discounted-travel.

Re: Reversing UK mobile rail tickets

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There was a discussion on a different post pointing out that maintenance of a highway is still very costly. Charging only the users, rather than all taxpayers, appears very fair.

So you never get anything delivered on a FedEx or ups truck? And you don’t receive mail?

Shipping services are not free? FedEx/UPS pay the tolls, and the shipping fees I pay should reimburse them for that.

Re: Reversing UK mobile rail tickets

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> Of course it goes without saying that your phone must be functional in order to scan the thing. So that's a whole tech stack that could go awry and strand you if you don't take precautions It could go awry if Google fucked up, Samsung/phone manufacturer fucks up, battery or charger fucks up, software developer fucks up, internet, etc, etc. we are replacing reliable sustems with fragile ones everywhere

A tangential story from Melbourne - you’re required to replace your Myki every ~7 years because of its shitty implementation, and when you do, it disables auto topup. However, when you get a new card, you also can’t immediately enable auto topup - you have to wait some time until the card is transferred. So a friend of mine had this happen and wasn’t able to touch onto the tram the following morning because they had…

You cannot take a cab or something else? This seems similar to the digital piracy issue. It is inconvenient, so I decided to do something illegal.

Otoh, I have seen Seattle bus drivers wave off the fare in some cases.

Re: Reversing UK mobile rail tickets

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During the COVID outbreak, my public transit provider began to neglect their fareboxes (partly because everyone was boarding in the rear and didn't bother to pay fares anyway.) I noticed that the boxes were still broken and unmaintained. I put 2 and 2 together and realized that a mobile "upgrade" was coming soon, so I kept my eyes out. And sure enough, I got myself invited to participate in the pilot project with the…

> Since the mobile passes are QR-based and not NFC, they absolutely require WAN connectivity on both sides in order to activate a pass.

Why they rolling out QR-based public transit ticketing in 2023 when NFC (which all phone platforms support even with a flat battery) solutions are table-stakes now?

Re: Reversing UK mobile rail tickets

#165

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The best tech solution I’ve yet to see is simply accepting credit/debit cards. Checking in, they can charge you minimum fare and checking out they can charge you remainder. They could also charge you maximum fare and return remainder on checkout. You can even keep track of card and give discounts for multiple rides. All without registration. Works with watches and phones too.

Good luck finding out ahead of time whether your foreign card is going to be accepted by the system. Also seems difficult for children who don't generally have credit cards.

You can still purchase a paper NFC ticket.

Re: Reversing UK mobile rail tickets

#166

During the COVID outbreak, my public transit provider began to neglect their fareboxes (partly because everyone was boarding in the rear and didn't bother to pay fares anyway.) I noticed that the boxes were still broken and unmaintained. I put 2 and 2 together and realized that a mobile "upgrade" was coming soon, so I kept my eyes out. And sure enough, I got myself invited to participate in the pilot project with the…

> Since the mobile passes are QR-based and not NFC, they absolutely require WAN connectivity on both sides in order to activate a pass. Why they rolling out QR-based public transit ticketing in 2023 when NFC (which all phone platforms support even with a flat battery) solutions are table-stakes now?

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Re: Reversing UK mobile rail tickets

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> they also gain the ability to more precisely track the ticket’s usage across the network and minimise fraud. Except mobile tickets make fraud trivial - getting off the train without a ticket, at a station with a ticket barrier? Just show them your powered off phone and say 'my phone died' and they'll let you out, no questions asked.

It's your responsibility to produce a ticket. Claiming your dog ate it or whatever will just mean they make you buy a new ticket and apply for a refund if you find your original again. They've heard these things before.

So you say - but I've repeatedly seen people allowed to exit through the ticket barriers at my local train station with nothing but a powered off phone as a 'ticket'

Re: Reversing UK mobile rail tickets

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Am I miss remembering or can the nfc mobile train passes in Japan be used even with a dead battery?

Sounds like an iPhone feature: https://www.techradar.com/news/apples-iphone-xs-has-a-game-c... The Pasmo/Suica cards are intriguing, they are NFC, but also store the last few transactions on the card itself, there are also mobile apps for scanning these cards to see how much credit you have left and list the above-mentioned transactions.

It was a feature all along since flip phones implementation, which was replicated and one-upped on iPhone. Phone implementations run from leftover charges on empty battery, not by power from the reader(which requires a coil).

Re: Reversing UK mobile rail tickets

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On the Florida Turnpike it was always too expensive for many students when they traveled up and down the state. It was bad enough having captive service stations and restaurants for overpriced products, but the toll was and still is ridiculous too, considering it was agreed there would be no toll after the construction was paid for, And it was well paid for decades ago. Anyway there were only very few exits and they…

There was a discussion on a different post pointing out that maintenance of a highway is still very costly. Charging only the users, rather than all taxpayers, appears very fair.

Depends if you think roads should be run as a public service, free to all at the point of use, and paid for by all according to their means, or a private service (with or without profit).

Do you also think the same about parks? Or schools? Or police? Or healthcare? Or water? Or rail? Or defence?

Re: Reversing UK mobile rail tickets

#170

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The relatively high fees on French autoroutes are offset by the good quality, yes. But the principal objection may be the way in which said autoroutes were privatized after being built with public money, no?

Yes but it was long ago and people forgot. But yes, French citizens are paying for the autoroutes twice: built with public money and then again with tolls to use them.

Presumably the privatisation process involved the transfer of cash from the companies buying them to the government, and hopefully that was more than the cost of construction.
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