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Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

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Re: Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

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The evidence is extremely varied, and in my opinion unreliable for making serious claims. Commonly cited by those repeating these claims, which as others have pointed out is rife with issues pertaining to causality, is the 2004 study "Ejaculation Frequency and Subsequent Risk of Prostate Cancer" published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA). Here is a section summarizing what came before: > Prev…

My wife and I have been trying for a kid for a while, and though I’m healthy, over the past 9 months I’ve gone down a rabbit hole on the professional literature around men’s health.

I don’t know how it compares to anything else, but the variance of the data is what struck me the most. That, and the low-resolution around a lot of the studies that have been run. I get that science is hard, but I would expect a LOT more detail from publications than what is typically offered.

Re: Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

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I wonder what things correlate with more frequent ejaculation in early adulthood? Having a girlfriend, being a "player"? Having a living situation that's amenable to regular self pleasure (posts are automatically dead if you use the m-word). Having more free time?

> posts are automatically dead if you use the m-word

Thanks for sharing. When I saw number of dead comments in there I expected to see some serious flame war going on. But actually most of them are quite constructive even if i dont agree with them.

Fortunately it possible to vouch for these comments if you have showdead enabled.

Re: Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

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The evidence is extremely varied, and in my opinion unreliable for making serious claims. Commonly cited by those repeating these claims, which as others have pointed out is rife with issues pertaining to causality, is the 2004 study "Ejaculation Frequency and Subsequent Risk of Prostate Cancer" published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA). Here is a section summarizing what came before: > Prev…

My wife and I have been trying for a kid for a while, and though I’m healthy, over the past 9 months I’ve gone down a rabbit hole on the professional literature around men’s health. I don’t know how it compares to anything else, but the variance of the data is what struck me the most. That, and the low-resolution around a lot of the studies that have been run. I get that science is hard, but I would expect a LOT more…

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Re: Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

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People in the nofap community claim that abstaining from masturbation gives them "super powers". From Google, a cult is "a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object." They venerate non-masturbation as if it were a deity able to grant them divine powers if they worship it enough. Or at least that's how it sounds like when you hear them talk about it.

That's not at all the impression I got. Never masturbating ever might be seen as good by some there, but for most it's a temporary means to an end than the end goal. Helping get past porn addictions (by stopping cold turkey for a while), improving the relationship with your partner (by reducing or stopping to masturbate and see how that affects it), and being supportive of whatever people's goals are is what the comm…

Hate to weird niche communities is pretty much like hate to Linkedin: because it full of cringe, poor quality marketing and just pure BS. Even if you registered on there you won't be using it 99% of time until you need to find a new job. Or unless Linkedin is part of your actual job because you're HR / sales person.

It's great that it might help someone, but it doesn't mean we all should accept everything this community produce is something good and normal.

Re: Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

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What are your current diet assumptions? From what I heard, the best way to stay healthy is to follow mediterranean and DASH diets.

I am currently "researching", learning all this stuff. So I guess take it with lots of caution? Since you asked, this is headlines of most of what I figured out: * Your main goals should be achieving metabolic flexibility, eliminating most of the "bad" stuff (sugars, processed oils, most carbs, etc.), supplying your body with mitochondrial decouplers daily and doing low level aerobic exercise, consistently. * If you…

This is an awesome list. I listened to an audiobook called "why we get sick" and every known health condition was linked to 'insulin resistance'. I knew eating carbs was bad but it blew my mind.

He even linked prostate cancer to insulin resistence. But unfortunately i checked the references the book and the linked papers didn't really support the case. Even after you get prostate cancer, IGF 1 inhibitors don't seem to do much to slow it down( some small sample studies seem inconclusive https://www.nature.com/articles/s41416-020-0774-1)

Re: Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

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Are you a teenager??

I'm 58 - Based upon this article, it appears I'm going to love, I mean live forever!

In my early 40s and have become a lot lazier/more lame than you in this department. It’s a need that needs to be fulfilled and it does but, it doesnt occupy my mind like when I was a teenager or in my early 20s and in a way i’m grateful for it. It seems I may be on the hook for prostate issues. A grandparent and uncle had prostate cancer so it’s up there in my history.

Re: Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

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I am currently "researching", learning all this stuff. So I guess take it with lots of caution? Since you asked, this is headlines of most of what I figured out: * Your main goals should be achieving metabolic flexibility, eliminating most of the "bad" stuff (sugars, processed oils, most carbs, etc.), supplying your body with mitochondrial decouplers daily and doing low level aerobic exercise, consistently. * If you…

This is an awesome list. I listened to an audiobook called "why we get sick" and every known health condition was linked to 'insulin resistance'. I knew eating carbs was bad but it blew my mind. He even linked prostate cancer to insulin resistence. But unfortunately i checked the references the book and the linked papers didn't really support the case. Even after you get prostate cancer, IGF 1 inhibitors don't seem t…

As far as I understand there is couple of ways cancers are linked to insulin. Not necessarily insulin resistance but think in terms of things that cause insulin resistance also help cancer grow.

For me the most compelling connection is that people who are likely to develop insulin resistance are also people who are very likely to have relatively little autophagy. Autophagy is a process where your body consumes protein that already exists in your organism. It will consume all sorts of stuff and what is really important is that it will break down abnormal protein like protein that got misfolded.

Autophagy is promoted when you fast for at least 14-18 hours -- but people who are constantly eating when they don't sleep don't ever reach fasting this long.

It is crazy to take a look at how different people look after losing a lot of weight depending on what kind of route they chose. People who lost weight due to intermittent fasting rather than calorie restriction tend too look much better and have much less loose skin. What happens is, due to IF regime their bodies were regularly undergoing autophagy while they were on IF and during autophay they were essentially "eating" their own protein like unnecessary connective tissue, skin, etc.

Without autophagy to periodically clean garbage from your body various unnecessary things just lie there and cause all sorts of mayhem and inflammation. Misfolded protein is potentially carcinogenic because defects in those protein are pretty much random and if a protein gets broken just right it might be causing damage to pretty much anything else. It increases your chance that a random damage can start cancer going somewhere.

Another way insulin might be linked to cancer is that insulin is a growth hormone and cancer is a tissue with abnormal growth. I don't know the details and I know enough to say that insulin does not necessarily cause growth of everything (how fun it would be to get your ABS just by overeating...) But it seems really possible that if cancer is sugar-loving tissue that needs lots of it to grow and insulin tells your cells to take as much sugar from bloodstream as they can then cancer might "be loving it". And also there are some cancer treatments that rely on starving or at least slowing cancer growth with a high ketone and low sugar levels.

Re: Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

#169

Also seems possible that married men, who are at a lower risk for almost every negative health outcome there is, are also at a lower risk for prostate cancer due to what is outlined in the paper. Married men seem more likely to have frequent (ahem) both due to literally living with their partner, as well as having a lower likelihood of depression, higher testosterone (the higher test generally would lead to the marri…

Are you married? My anecdotal evidence points in the opposite direction.

Yes I am married.

Re: Ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer (2022)

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So many opportunities for correlation not causation. One obvious correlation could be testosterone: higher testosterone leading to less prostate cancer. Of course higher testosterone has multiple causes. I knew a girlfriend of a guy taking roids, both in their twenties: she said he was insatiable in her opinion (I think she limited access to three times a day, because he just wanted more).

>So many opportunities for correlation not causation. When people point this out (which they do on every single human-related study that makes the front page), it implies that the article is suggesting causation somewhere. I don't see this article suggesting that anywhere; what I find toward the end is this: >The studies from the United States and Australia do little to answer these critical questions — but they do o…

Did I miss where my comment suggests the article suggests causation?

The reason a comment is always necessary is because other comments always jump to assuming causation.

I do think my comment was weak, because I think there are much more likely root causes than testosterone. Such as the unsatisfying reproducibility crisis https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis conceived by https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/

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