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How we turned the tables to catch my sister’s Bumble stalker

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Re: How we turned the tables to catch my sister’s Bumble stalker

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They acted as brothers are expected to act - outraged at the mistreatment of their sister, determined to catch the guy, doing everything in their power to keep her safe. It's arguable whether the police would/could help, and how far they'd go/have the resources to pursue the matter. In older times, three brothers knocking on your door would be the end of it. Either total capitulation, or some kind of accident. I feel…

Most people indeed commented that we showed quite decent restraint.

Re: How we turned the tables to catch my sister’s Bumble stalker

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post #72

> Side note for Bumble — this is what we would call an “entity resolution” problem, leading to safety problems for your platform. When someone installs your app, you need to detect whether they have already installed it previously. If they have, then their activity (including blocks and people who have already declined them) should be linked to this new account. What is Bumble supposed to do if the user asks them to…

Replying just because we had a basic GDPR training just yesterday. You can't do that and you are right about the deletion of data to a point, but once there are legal reasons (like in this case) you don't have to comply to the request to delete the data. But I would guess it would be too complicated to manage all this, considering the size of Bumble and where the incident happened and where Bumble is located.

Re: How we turned the tables to catch my sister’s Bumble stalker

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post #3

Maybe obvious, but uh: don’t fucking do this! I get it, I'm an older brother, I would wanna go ballistic too. But the fact that these guys skipped over "notify the police" and went straight to "seek out in-person confrontation" is insane! Stalkers are not people in their right mind. Staking out and planning to “citizen’s arrest”(???) someone who has repeatedly visited late at night to threaten and harass is NOT SAFE…

It is not safe indeed, but since when we (as in "humans") started doing only safe things?

Re: How we turned the tables to catch my sister’s Bumble stalker

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> When someone installs your app, you need to detect whether they have already installed it previously. If they have, then their activity (including blocks and people who have already declined them) should be linked to this new account

Quite the contrary, every user has a right to be totally forgotten and their data deleted permanently. [Un?]fortunately.

Re: How we turned the tables to catch my sister’s Bumble stalker

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> When someone installs your app, you need to detect whether they have already installed it previously. If they have, then their activity (including blocks and people who have already declined them) should be linked to this new account Quite the contrary, every user has a right to be totally forgotten and their data deleted permanently. [Un?]fortunately.

Not necessarily. If it is for fraud prevention, then you would be within your rights (at least under GDPR), to retain certain data for a reasonable amount of time.

Re: How we turned the tables to catch my sister’s Bumble stalker

#166

> When someone installs your app, you need to detect whether they have already installed it previously. If they have, then their activity (including blocks and people who have already declined them) should be linked to this new account Quite the contrary, every user has a right to be totally forgotten and their data deleted permanently. [Un?]fortunately.

Not necessarily. If it is for fraud prevention, then you would be within your rights (at least under GDPR), to retain certain data for a reasonable amount of time.

Good take, thank you.

Re: How we turned the tables to catch my sister’s Bumble stalker

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post #22
post #3

Maybe obvious, but uh: don’t fucking do this! I get it, I'm an older brother, I would wanna go ballistic too. But the fact that these guys skipped over "notify the police" and went straight to "seek out in-person confrontation" is insane! Stalkers are not people in their right mind. Staking out and planning to “citizen’s arrest”(???) someone who has repeatedly visited late at night to threaten and harass is NOT SAFE…

While I do agree that what they did is risky, the article does mention that the police had already been notified after previous incidents. Of course if they failed to alert the police after they had the video evidence of the same guy vandalizing the car night after night then I will fully agree complete idiots, otherwise I can sympathize with their desire to go above and beyond to help their sister.

"Complete idiots"might be a slight exaggeration, but hey no offence taken.

iirc they knew we had video, but the video of the car vandalism was never going to be enough to do anything. They had not seen that specific video. In the end it was only a small part of the evidence package.

Re: How we turned the tables to catch my sister’s Bumble stalker

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post #43

It makes me kinda sad that if this were to happen in my country (Peru), the police wouldn't do anything under the pretext that the suspect hasn't actually done anything.

I am not defending him because it starts like this and sometimes ends horribly bad... but what did he really do? other than wrote something on dirt (didn't even destroy her paint) and broke an egg on her car? In 80s I remember it was a normal thing to take few dozen of eggs to any street manifest and throw them at cops, other groups, etc. Insane how soy late snowflake weak people became these days.

I have no idea why you’re trying so hard to defend a stalker throughout this thread.

He was driving a considerable distance, on repeated occasions, while concealing his appearance, to harass someone. That’s not “snowflake” ethics - it’s wrong, full stop

It doesn’t matter how he chose to harass them, or whether the level of property damage was beyond a line you consider unacceptable.

Re: How we turned the tables to catch my sister’s Bumble stalker

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post #108
post #3

Maybe obvious, but uh: don’t fucking do this! I get it, I'm an older brother, I would wanna go ballistic too. But the fact that these guys skipped over "notify the police" and went straight to "seek out in-person confrontation" is insane! Stalkers are not people in their right mind. Staking out and planning to “citizen’s arrest”(???) someone who has repeatedly visited late at night to threaten and harass is NOT SAFE…

The police had been informed prior to the stakeout. A citizens arrest is a well-known thing, why the ??? This isn’t America, where everyone may be yielding a firearm.

aye, exactly. I presume most of the people criticising our "citizen's arrest" idea are form the US, where I indeed would not have contemplated doing such a thing.

In Scotland I do not really have the same fear. Not sure I would do the same thing in Glasgow or London, but still, we are not idiots, we were not going to take any crazy risks but we figured the risk to us was worth it to stop the risk to our sister. We weighed the risks up.

Re: How we turned the tables to catch my sister’s Bumble stalker

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post #156

Firstly there’s zero chance this was the guy’s first rodeo. Second, without a custodial sentence it wont be his last. When these stories end in tragedy there’s always the part of the story that goes something like “…X had previously been reported on no fewer than Y occasions for similar behaviour.”

My thoughts exactly. If this guy was going through so much trouble to stalk someone over six months, a fine isn't going to stop him. He probably considers it to be a worthy cost for his obsession. A part of me feels that this guy should be humiliated and beat to within inches of his own life. His behavior certainly deserves that, in a karmic sense. But that probably isn't the best way to protect the victim here. Prob…

Indeed the same though crossed our minds (as I write in the article) that it is unlikely to be his first offence.

We actually did not want to humiliate him, and believe me we had the opportunity, because we did not want to "push him over the edge". I kinda hope he has kept his job so he can try to get help and stop himself doing this again.

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