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Graph showing level of Covid, flu and RSV in US wastewater systems, by city

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Re: Graph showing level of Covid, flu and RSV in US wastewater systems, by city

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Post by xkbarkar »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #13

I am continually surprised at how many people don’t wear masks at places like the grocery store even as cases are rising. I got covid over the summer and it was horrible! I lost two weeks of work which was a lot of money to lose, missed multiple dates with my partner I would have really enjoyed and felt totally isolated. Then I felt fatigue and brain fog for months afterwards. Afterwards I got the bivalent vaccine so…

The only people I see wearing masks are American tourists in the airports ( last 6 weeks Gardemoen, Kastrup , Keflavik, Arlanda )

Duck bill mask clad Germans generally stay in Germany. And they look insane. Like warning signs of nature insane.

Public announcements in Sweden, Norway and Denmark, from epidemiologists and ICU doctors recently is to stay the home if you are sick. If sick dont go out wearing a mask since it protects no one and, even if immuno compromized, live like you did in 2019 you are not protected wearing a flimsy surgical facemask and you need to socialize and not lock yourself up for the rest of your days.

And once you are not sick anymore, go back to work. Don't bother the currently overloaded hospitals unless something is very wrong, you know when your cold/flu is over.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/overlakaren-restriktioner.... https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vasterbotten/smittskyddsla....

Use common sense.

So no , presumably democrat american internet stranger. Dont wear a mask, If sick stay at home. Dont go out, face covered, and think you have saved a life. Mask is pointless.

Hand washing still applies though.

Don't think handwashing has been controversial since dr. Ignaz Semmelweis in 1865 was declared insane and put in an asylum by the medical establishment for suggesting that hand washing prevented doctors from spreading disease between their patients.

Re: Graph showing level of Covid, flu and RSV in US wastewater systems, by city

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Post by landemva »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #13

I am continually surprised at how many people don’t wear masks at places like the grocery store even as cases are rising. I got covid over the summer and it was horrible! I lost two weeks of work which was a lot of money to lose, missed multiple dates with my partner I would have really enjoyed and felt totally isolated. Then I felt fatigue and brain fog for months afterwards. Afterwards I got the bivalent vaccine so…

You got actual covid and recovered, then did you get blood test to check for development of antibodies? Then you later got the shot for what purpose?

Re: Graph showing level of Covid, flu and RSV in US wastewater systems, by city

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Post by TurkishPoptart »

amilios wrote: post #152
rconti wrote: post #148

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Wait, are you saying Europeans are surprised talking about it is still a thing, because everyone wears them? Or because nobody wears them? Just got back from Germany yesterday, and while masks are required on most public transport (but not airplanes), you'll see a decent amount of compliance (50%?) but not anywhere else indoors. Minimal masking in public spaces on public transport, stores, airplanes, etc in my experi…

Unfortunately I'm quite sure it's the latter. Even in Canada, in MTL where I live, on public transit it's maybe 5-6% that is masking. For most people the pandemic is simply "over", regardless of what the data says or how overwhelmed hospitals are.

To be clear, hospitals being "overwhelmed", i.e. their capacity, is a function related to personnel. When our state (WA) fired thousands of healthcare workers for not getting an experimental vaccine that few of them needed (natural immunity is a thing, as much as Big Pharma would like to suppress it), our capacity decreased because we lost nurses. It doesn't necessarily mean that _no beds are available_.

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Post by TurkishPoptart »

howinteresting wrote: post #65
fullmoon wrote: post #40

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We Europeans are continually surprised that talking about masks is still a thing.* Except for 1 or 2 outlier countries masking is over. * Unless they are familiar with U.S. politics

Indoor masking is quite common in the SF Bay Area.

It's a cult over there. They get guilted into feeling like bioterrorists if they don't.

Re: Graph showing level of Covid, flu and RSV in US wastewater systems, by city

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Post by blockwriter »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #139
kjksf wrote: post #71

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Being killed by a falling brick is a very clear cost. How would you characterize the costs associated with wearing a hard hat most of the time when in public? Talking about cost without normalizing for probability of prevention is meaningless yet you want to frame the discussion to be purely about (low) cost of wearing masks. We had a year of a pretty tough lockdown, most people wearing masks, distancing in grocery s…

If I was surrounded by falling bricks I’d definitely consider it! For me the costs aren’t just wearing a mask or getting sick. I also have vulnerable people in my life. My partner, their partners, my elderly parents, friends with unknown connections. If I walked around the grocery store without a mask I could at any time pick up the virus and even if I don’t get very sick I could give it to friends or loved ones. So…

You can relax in public without the mask as well. There are more pressing moral and social concerns in our day to day lives.

Re: Graph showing level of Covid, flu and RSV in US wastewater systems, by city

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Post by quarterdime »

xkbarkar wrote: post #161
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #13

I am continually surprised at how many people don’t wear masks at places like the grocery store even as cases are rising. I got covid over the summer and it was horrible! I lost two weeks of work which was a lot of money to lose, missed multiple dates with my partner I would have really enjoyed and felt totally isolated. Then I felt fatigue and brain fog for months afterwards. Afterwards I got the bivalent vaccine so…

The only people I see wearing masks are American tourists in the airports ( last 6 weeks Gardemoen, Kastrup , Keflavik, Arlanda ) Duck bill mask clad Germans generally stay in Germany. And they look insane. Like warning signs of nature insane. Public announcements in Sweden, Norway and Denmark, from epidemiologists and ICU doctors recently is to stay the home if you are sick. If sick dont go out wearing a mask since…

Your suggestion of staying home if sick is one I agree with. Unfortunately I cannot make others do this. In fact, where I live in the USA I come across people who are visibly/audibly ill in my daily life: air travel, public transport, grocery store, and so on. I would prefer if these people stayed home, but can I make them? I can wear a mask, and I do (typically N95 in public places). If others think I look crazy, that is a small price to pay to avoid a few weeks of being sick or infecting someone else. Particularly my vulnerable family members.

Re: Graph showing level of Covid, flu and RSV in US wastewater systems, by city

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Post by [deleted] »

Diederich wrote: post #54
dxhdr wrote: post #47

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> How would you characterize the costs associated with wearing a mask most of the time when in public? I tried it for a year and it's dehumanizing. Not sure how you'd rate that vs the unknown chance of long covid but I've made my choice.

I suppose it's a matter of perspective. My wife, son and I have been masking with 100% consistency since April 2020 (in indoor/crowded outdoor places) and we haven't felt 'dehumanized' to the slightest degree. It's not quite free; the bridge of my nose sometimes experiences some irritation, and we've had to deal with more than a hand full of hateful/snarky in person comments, but that's no biggie.

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Re: Graph showing level of Covid, flu and RSV in US wastewater systems, by city

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Post by anon_coward_ghk »

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #163
amilios wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately I'm quite sure it's the latter. Even in Canada, in MTL where I live, on public transit it's maybe 5-6% that is masking. For most people the pandemic is simply "over", regardless of what the data says or how overwhelmed hospitals are.

To be clear, hospitals being "overwhelmed", i.e. their capacity, is a function related to personnel. When our state (WA) fired thousands of healthcare workers for not getting an experimental vaccine that few of them needed (natural immunity is a thing, as much as Big Pharma would like to suppress it), our capacity decreased because we lost nurses. It doesn't necessarily mean that _no beds are available_.

I am a medical resident working in WA state, just spent a month in the ICU, can confirm the shortages are primarily nurse based, not bed based.

Also note that while I saw several influenza cases in the icu, I didn't see any covid.

Re: Graph showing level of Covid, flu and RSV in US wastewater systems, by city

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

xkbarkar wrote: post #161
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #13

I am continually surprised at how many people don’t wear masks at places like the grocery store even as cases are rising. I got covid over the summer and it was horrible! I lost two weeks of work which was a lot of money to lose, missed multiple dates with my partner I would have really enjoyed and felt totally isolated. Then I felt fatigue and brain fog for months afterwards. Afterwards I got the bivalent vaccine so…

The only people I see wearing masks are American tourists in the airports ( last 6 weeks Gardemoen, Kastrup , Keflavik, Arlanda ) Duck bill mask clad Germans generally stay in Germany. And they look insane. Like warning signs of nature insane. Public announcements in Sweden, Norway and Denmark, from epidemiologists and ICU doctors recently is to stay the home if you are sick. If sick dont go out wearing a mask since…

If the other people around me actually followed that guidance you might have a point… except that covid is transmissible even before you get sick and even when you never do get sick. So people can’t stay home if they don’t know they’re contagious. And again, people don’t follow the guidance either.

I also don’t wear a surgical mask, I wear a KN95 because I’m not a fool.

Re: Graph showing level of Covid, flu and RSV in US wastewater systems, by city

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Post by anon_coward_ghk »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #159
kjksf wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being killed by a falling brick is a very clear cost. How would you characterize the costs associated with wearing a hard hat most of the time when in public? Talking about cost without normalizing for probability of prevention is meaningless yet you want to frame the discussion to be purely about (low) cost of wearing masks. We had a year of a pretty tough lockdown, most people wearing masks, distancing in grocery s…

falling bricks didn't kill 1 million americans over the past 2 years

Generally everyone is vulnerable to falling bricks, whereas the evidence shows that those who will die from covid are most likely obese / elderly / smokers / diabetics / etc.
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