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Best ecommerce UX practices from mcmaster.com

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Re: Best ecommerce UX practices from mcmaster.com

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> Even if I put full fucking detail with brand and model I keep getting pages and pages of random products with different "sponsored" brands, model, features and so on. Its clearly need of Amazon are taking priority over mine. When inside of a real brick and mortar store, have you walked by one of those displays on the ends of a row that's selling Pepsi products or Doritos? How do you think those things got there? Th…

Yes, of course end caps are doing the same thing, prioritizing the store's needs over the shopper's. They pull the same shit with how they lay out the store, to make you spend more time in it and travel over more of it. Which turns out to mean they're not just prioritizing profit over what's personally best for their shoppers, but also over public health , when there's serious infectious disease on the loose—which is…

As serious as infectious disease is, I'm not even sure it's the biggest impact: the venn diagram of endcap products and products likely to contribute to metabolic syndromes is probably pretty close to a circle.

At least the pandemic moved a lot of shopping online and gave a margin of convenience back to customers.

Re: Best ecommerce UX practices from mcmaster.com

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Unmentioned is the origin of much of this value: > McMaster-Carr shoppers don’t encounter distractions; you can see proof of this on the homepage which jumps right into the action: The web site is based on the paper catalogue (book), from layout, visual interface, and organization. The paper version was excellent and useful. Instead of trying all sorts of "fun" (for the designer) web capabilities, they focused on ohw…

The problem with your comparison to Amazon is that the scale of products offered on Amazon is completely different.

A catalogue system like this is only viable if the number of products is relatively small, as appears to be the case of mcmaster-carr.

Re: Best ecommerce UX practices from mcmaster.com

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Unmentioned is the origin of much of this value: > McMaster-Carr shoppers don’t encounter distractions; you can see proof of this on the homepage which jumps right into the action: The web site is based on the paper catalogue (book), from layout, visual interface, and organization. The paper version was excellent and useful. Instead of trying all sorts of "fun" (for the designer) web capabilities, they focused on ohw…

The problem with your comparison to Amazon is that the scale of products offered on Amazon is completely different. A catalogue system like this is only viable if the number of products is relatively small, as appears to be the case of mcmaster-carr.

McMaster has >700,000 products available on its website so I wouldn’t really call that relatively small.

It is more segmented than what Amazon offers.

Re: Best ecommerce UX practices from mcmaster.com

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Yes, of course end caps are doing the same thing, prioritizing the store's needs over the shopper's. They pull the same shit with how they lay out the store, to make you spend more time in it and travel over more of it. Which turns out to mean they're not just prioritizing profit over what's personally best for their shoppers, but also over public health , when there's serious infectious disease on the loose—which is…

As serious as infectious disease is, I'm not even sure it's the biggest impact: the venn diagram of endcap products and products likely to contribute to metabolic syndromes is probably pretty close to a circle. At least the pandemic moved a lot of shopping online and gave a margin of convenience back to customers.

Yeah, good point.

Now I'm wondering whether all this customer-hostile activity on the part of grocery stores actually ends up being net negative for the economy. It may be a negative-sum action they're taking, in purely easy-to-quantify economic terms, without even putting a value on wasting shoppers' time or whatever extra stress or irritation that causes. A few extra flu cases per week per store can cause a lot of harm in lost productivity and medical bills, and then, as you point out, there's the way they push junk food.

Re: Best ecommerce UX practices from mcmaster.com

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The article focuses on the UI, which is good, but the number one reason McMaster is the tops shopping experience (IMHO) is that they have a rock solid taxonomy. Every single product is meticulously categorized a dozen different ways, allowing me to drill down the feature tree to get exactly to the part I want. On Amazon even the product categories that have a few filters are hopelessly difficult to navigate. I'm stuc…

> rock solid taxonomy > On Amazon Although I have never used McMaster but use Amazon most of the time, I definitely agree. And it's not even really related to taxonomy. The amount of disorganized information on Amazon is frustrating and many times leads me to believe that something is just fake, drop-shit, subpar quality, etc... There's so much "WxHxD: 2", "color: yes", "weight: 34.6 inches" that I just end up buying…

My favorite recent Amazon search: looking at LCD displays, one was categorized as “Style: Women’s”

Was this a classic case of review laundering, where a blouse was replaced with a computer monitor? Or did some code somewhere overlap with attributes that normally apply to clothing?

Whatever it was, the categories and filters on that site continue to degrade.

Re: Best ecommerce UX practices from mcmaster.com

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The article focuses on the UI, which is good, but the number one reason McMaster is the tops shopping experience (IMHO) is that they have a rock solid taxonomy. Every single product is meticulously categorized a dozen different ways, allowing me to drill down the feature tree to get exactly to the part I want. On Amazon even the product categories that have a few filters are hopelessly difficult to navigate. I'm stuc…

Exactly. In fact almost everything in the article is icing on-top. The entire experience of the McMaster Carr website is the taxonomy and the fact that the search and navigation _within that taxonomy_ are all built to work seamlessly and get you to exactly what you are looking for.

Search for "bolt" - you won't get 10,000 different bolts with a pretty little filter to whittle down, you'll end up on a page with broader categories of things that may or may not have "bolt" in the name, but are all things that are in some form bolts. From there you keep drilling down, selecting different attributes until you get to an individual product (or a grid of variations, like different lengths).

Honestly, it feels like the original authors have never actually used the site, they just browsed around, thought it was laid out nicely, etc

Re: Best ecommerce UX practices from mcmaster.com

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Unmentioned is the origin of much of this value: > McMaster-Carr shoppers don’t encounter distractions; you can see proof of this on the homepage which jumps right into the action: The web site is based on the paper catalogue (book), from layout, visual interface, and organization. The paper version was excellent and useful. Instead of trying all sorts of "fun" (for the designer) web capabilities, they focused on ohw…

>Compare this to, say, Amazon where Amazon's needs are prioritized over the customers' I'm not sure that's the whole story. A critical point is that this is a B2B site. The people shopping here would tend to have a need in mind that can be solved by finding the exact right part that meets their specifications. By comparison, the typical consumer shopping experience is much more one of discovery, not need-solution mna…

Not only this but Amazon is a marketplace for buyers AND sellers whereas it appears McMaster-Carr is the seller. Sellers on Amazon are also Amazon customers who want their own pages, copy, etc.

Re: Best ecommerce UX practices from mcmaster.com

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The problem with your comparison to Amazon is that the scale of products offered on Amazon is completely different. A catalogue system like this is only viable if the number of products is relatively small, as appears to be the case of mcmaster-carr.

McMaster has >700,000 products available on its website so I wouldn’t really call that relatively small. It is more segmented than what Amazon offers.

Amazon has roughly 350 MM products if you account for third party sellers, so yeah, the scale is massively different.

Re: Best ecommerce UX practices from mcmaster.com

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> Are HN users even representative customers of McMaster Carr? Let alone of any other e-commerce site? Why wouldn't they be? Yes, most HN users have some expertise or occupation in tech, or tech-adjacent fields, but other than that, HN has a diverse userbase from all around the world and great many walks of life.

Sure, some HN users are going to be McMaster Carr users. Some HN users are probably Boeing customers as well, but I wouldn’t trust HN’s collective assessment of the procurement UX for a 787. The users who McMaster Carr is targeting peripherally intersect with the HN community. And it also happens to be a community that contains people who are more likely than the average population to enjoy browsing a parts catalog f…

This somewhat misses the point that a substantial fraction of HN commenters/users spend their working hours building UX stuff.

Re: Best ecommerce UX practices from mcmaster.com

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McMaster has >700,000 products available on its website so I wouldn’t really call that relatively small. It is more segmented than what Amazon offers.

Amazon has roughly 350 MM products if you account for third party sellers, so yeah, the scale is massively different.

Maybe a related big difference is that McMaster Carr actually know what they sell?
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