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German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Indeed. I've heard it from Serbians, Bulgarians, Irish, Scottish, Swedish, German, Italian, Romanian, and Belgian folks that I can recall offhand, maybe more that I'm not completely recalling.

I'm actually surprised of this since I've always though of Sweeden, Germany, Italy, Belgium as very good countries. I can only speak for bulgarians as I know how the mass thinks here.

Maybe they’re good precisely because of this mindset?

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My personal favorite outcome of this would be a joint public and corporate funded leap in open source development. This would do much for the budget, privacy and probably also security of businesses and private users. A good example where this principle is already in use is the Matrix protocol.

Forget the migration costs just to develop and standup the cost and infra would be a few billion euros just for one O365 app. I don't think people understand how much O365 apps are used. Nobody is filing github issues either with this, you need to do commercial and customer support, basically replace a core MS SaaS product but not with some shitty idealistic hack because the economic consequences are dire!

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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That’s very unsustainable for Europe and great for the US since the latter gets the most productive years.

Right? European policy makers should look to determine what incentives they encourage that generates this fairly common attitude.

Maybe they just cater to their electorate. Democracy etc.

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I'm not European, and maybe this is why I struggle to understand this, but why do people want regulators to say, "This doesn't comply with our regulations, so you aren't allowed to use it ?" I understand the hope is that companies will comply rather than forego the entire European market, but if they don't, the last consequence is ultimately on the consumer, not the company. It seems like the same type of thing as wh…

The reasoning is that your personal data doesn't belong to you. It belongs to your government. A user's personal data is a vector for attack for a foreign agent. You can argue up to which degree this is correct or not, but the EU instance on this matter is of paranoia.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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My personal favorite outcome of this would be a joint public and corporate funded leap in open source development. This would do much for the budget, privacy and probably also security of businesses and private users. A good example where this principle is already in use is the Matrix protocol.

This is a pipe dream not based in reality.

Open source isn't all upside with no down and that is why co.mercial software still dominates and will unless someone decides to take the hit and carry the load for those downsides.

Besides, in terms of MS365 there is the added problem that there is no good alternative. There are some reasonable alternatives for individual instances but not for the delivers of using 365.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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These people keep acting like they're so clever for figuring this out, yet in reality all they're doing is giving death sentences to European companies by making them unable to use industry standard products.

One other way to see this is that this will stop MS360 from being the "industry standard", it doesn't take that much effort nowadays to make an alternative that is good enough, we are past the days where collaborative editing is considered "cool". People from the US tend to underestimate the EU, the EU could easily give a bit of cash to a competitor along with some juicy contracts, the US is not the only bloc that ca…

Yeah, for example some China company :D

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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This will have absolutely zero impact. Everybody knows you must use Microsoft products and if those don't comply with regulations, the regulations will have to change...

s/Microsoft/American/

Privacy Shield was canned years ago but your company is most likely moving data to an American "Anti-Virus" provider under this framework.

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My personal favorite outcome of this would be a joint public and corporate funded leap in open source development. This would do much for the budget, privacy and probably also security of businesses and private users. A good example where this principle is already in use is the Matrix protocol.

More likely, someone will figure out a corporate structure that makes the EU subsidiaries out of reach from the US government. It's obvious that eventually all US-based services will be declared in breach of the GDPR given the US stance on global surveillance.

Am I mistaken, or did MS have that with Deutsche Telekom running a special Azure zone on their behalf? The idea was that MS wouldn't be able to comply with US court orders because they weren't in control of that zone, and DT's German subsidiary running that operation wouldn't be in US jurisdiction.

As far as I know, they shut it down two years ago citing higher costs and operational issues.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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This will have absolutely zero impact. Everybody knows you must use Microsoft products and if those don't comply with regulations, the regulations will have to change...

And what would be the alternative? LibreOffice with its 90s UI/UX?

For many people even the Windows 3.1 versions would suffice.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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You could look into NextCloud and their NextCloud Office if you haven't heard of it yet. If you have are there any point that speak against it in your opinion? It's open source so you can even self host. Should be more than enough for most comapnies. Not sure how difficult the set-up process for an enterprise environment is, I only used the docker version before. But should be viable and if a company has Money for Mi…

I think you underestimate how many industries have software that integrates with office and cannot be easily replaced, if at all.

Well, an entire country outlawing some software has a tendency to change this.
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