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A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by coffeeling »

mopsi wrote: post #100
ronsor wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google aggressively links accounts together. If you ever hire someone who was banned by big G, kiss everything goodbye.

Microsoft does it too: forces everyone to sign up to Microsoft account and defaults to syncing/saving to OneDrive. If you hit OneDrive content filters, you lose everything, including Excel spreadsheets and Xbox games.

He means something more aggressive than a whole platform lockout for the account. What Google does is you have entirely different accounts, one gets indicted for something, they try to find other accounts you have/are linked to and nuke those too. eg. your company has a Google dev account, hires someone, and that someone misbehaves on a personal account. Your company account is at a very real risk of getting nuked with Google's famous customer nonservice afterwards.

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Post by Brian_K_White »

cgearhart wrote: post #94
sekh60 wrote: post #3

This story broke the camels back for us when it first appeared here and got us to migrate our email to protonmail and a domain we bought.

> migrate our email to protonmail Any tips? It’s been on my lowest priority todo list to migrate off of gmail for several years, and I think the biggest reason I haven’t yet is that I know nothing about alternatives. I haven’t had to think at all about email for 15-20 years or so, and I’d like to keep it that way as much as possible after any switch. How close does protonmail get to that ideal?

Me too, and I have been a sysadmin and developer for almaot 30 years and know exactly what to do and even I still haven't gotten around to it. But every ordinary not-even-in-IT person is supposed to navigate all that? It's preposterous.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by sekh60 »

cgearhart wrote: post #94
sekh60 wrote: post #3

This story broke the camels back for us when it first appeared here and got us to migrate our email to protonmail and a domain we bought.

> migrate our email to protonmail Any tips? It’s been on my lowest priority todo list to migrate off of gmail for several years, and I think the biggest reason I haven’t yet is that I know nothing about alternatives. I haven’t had to think at all about email for 15-20 years or so, and I’d like to keep it that way as much as possible after any switch. How close does protonmail get to that ideal?

Protonmail has an import from gmail feature that worked well. Not that I practice inbox zero, so the amount of mail I had to transfer was very little. My wife's inbox is a disaster, sometimes I go in there to trim things down, but I have little advice there. Try to practice good email hygiene.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by Alupis »

lamontcg wrote: post #145
Alupis wrote: post #138

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The article is a little clumsy here... they seem to indicate it would have been a lawsuit, but the dollar amount quoted would be more in line with arbitration. In both cases there's 3 possible outcomes: 1) Google, after reviewing weak and/or zero evidence, backs down and restores the account upon receipt of notice of intent to pursue legal action. 2) Arbitration happens and Google is ordered to back down, restore the…

> So why would you not pursue legal action? Hassle. Some people would prefer to just have a clean break from any abusive relationship rather than continue to engage in conflict, even if the odds are good they'd win. You also don't know what else is going on in his life and how much bandwidth he has left. One terminally sick relative is all it'll take for the average person to not want to deal with extra bullshit in t…

The guy has gone through multiple police investigations - one of which appears to have been voluntary - plus this investigative article piece here. I'd say, from appearances, he's not shied away from attempting to fight this. He even stated in the article it was the money that made him choose not to pursue the legal path (although as previously pointed out, the costs would be free if he prevailed and there's free representation that would jump at the chance to fight cases like this).

So, I don't think hassle can accurately describe this particular case.

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Post by Alupis »

int_19h wrote: post #154
Alupis wrote: post #90

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This isn't about a free GMail account... From the article there appears to be an arbitration path (based on the dollar amount quoted in the article, but they talk about it like it would be a lawsuit) - but Dad explicitly chose not to take it for some reason. It would be very surprising if the ToS for Google Accounts didn't include an arbitration agreement. Also, Dad had a paid Google One account - filled with apparen…

Are there any known examples of people using arbitrage to successfully recover their Google accounts?

Arbitration is not public - so we would never know. That is not unique to Google either, it's just how it works.

My guess would be it happens far more often that you might realize, given Google's scale and breadth of services offered (paid and unpaid).

People have disputes all the time with big companies, and arbitration is how they are normally resolved. Arbitration is designed to 1) usually minimize the public risk to the company in the event of a loss, and 2) make the proceedings far more affordable for all parties involved.

Arbitration carries all the same weight and enforcement of a real lawsuit, but takes less time and is less costly.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by DavidSJ »

beachy wrote: post #93
noirbot wrote: post #53

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Though I often have questions about how that works in terms of managing your domain. I feel like I shouldn't have the account I manage my domains with tied to an email address at the domain that's under management. If my email provider disappears, I'm potentially locked out of the account I need to log into in order to change the MX records, right?

It's hard to avoi nd this chicken and egg situation. I use fastmail and they allow you "alias" addresses. So even though my primary email is on my custom dimain e.g. myname@mydomain.com, Fastmail also gives me an alsia of myname@fastmail.com. That's the email I used to log in (to AWS) and manage my MX records. If either Fastmail or AWS were to go rogue/broke, I like to think I would eventually be able to restore acce…

You should just make an account with another provider for that purpose.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by Ptchd »

skissane wrote: post #159
Ptchd wrote: post #155

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It's to avoid pay walls....

Post the actual URI, then put archive URI in comment. If it helps people (with paywalls or hug of death or whatever) people will often upvote it and it will achieve a reasonably prominent position among the comments.

But what if they modify the article after you post a link to it?

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Post by pvg »

Ptchd wrote: post #167
skissane wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Post the actual URI, then put archive URI in comment. If it helps people (with paywalls or hug of death or whatever) people will often upvote it and it will achieve a reasonably prominent position among the comments.

But what if they modify the article after you post a link to it?

People notice that. Archive links remove important info from the post, this is a pretty well-settled HN thing with lots of moderator commentary if you want an infinite supply of reasoning.

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

pvg wrote: post #168
Ptchd wrote: post #167

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But what if they modify the article after you post a link to it?

People notice that. Archive links remove important info from the post, this is a pretty well-settled HN thing with lots of moderator commentary if you want an infinite supply of reasoning.

Frankly, I also think it's not right to put load on archive.org's servers when not necessary.

Also, if people use archive.org explicitly to avoid paywalls, sites are just going to block archive.org, and then we won't have an Archive (to check whether the article gets updated, for instance).

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Post by fncivivue7 »

gonehome wrote: post #153
fncivivue7 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's spin. The real reason is discussed near the end of the article. They don't want to get into the business of deciding what is and isn't sexual imagery. Instead, it's easier to just ban people and forget about it. It's the same type of behaviour and attitude that lead to damoore being fired. No room for ambiguity or nuance at Google. Everything can be decided by an algorithm.

If the reason stated at the end of the article is the reason I can also understand their decision. If my SO was surreptitiously taking nude pictures (videos?) of me and our kid while we were sleeping (and uploading them to the cloud!), I’d be pissed (and this is the most benign interpretation). That said, there should still be due process. Ultimately, I think it’s an issue with the local max of computing we’re trappe…

I dunno, cloud or no cloud there is an expectation of privacy. What they've done amounts to a warrantless fishing expedition and it should concern everyone.

The problem is, the alternative is this stuff runs rampant on their service, not something I'd want either.

So I understand their position, but their approach here is lacking.

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