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Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by derkades »

prima-facie wrote: post #122
seabrookmx wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot of Linux apologists in your replies but my experience is exactly the same _with a laptop that supports Linux_ (Framework laptop). I'm running a very recent kernel in Fedora and have tried numerous power saving mechanisms (currently autocpufreq, although it's results are not much different from gnome PPD) and I'm lucky if I get 3 hours from the thing while running 10-15 FF tabs and a single instance of V…

That's probably because of BDProcHot throttling shenanigans on Windows. It's no use having 9hrs battery life if your CPU runs at 800Mhz.

I have purposely configured my laptop with a maximum cpu performance target of 30% when on battery. No more fan noise, much longer battery life, performance difference is barely noticable (except in tasks like gaming and video transcoding which I don't do on battery)

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by danielheath »

numpad0 wrote: post #156
gandalfgeek wrote: post #19

Isn't it a searing indictment of the entire Intel laptop chip lineup that a MacBook Air M1 has half the battery capacity (50Wh) while giving easily twice the battery life with as good or better performance -- and with no fans!

> with as good or better performance I don’t know, just the other day I saw someone warning against falling for M1/M2 for StableDiffusion inference(people buy new computers to run SD apparently!), claiming that same code take two orders of magnitude longer on M1/M2 against a 3080. So maybe an M1/M2 Air isn’t faster than Intel(+NVIDIA) machine at TDP, maybe it’s magnificent that it’s only 100 times slower than a prope…

A 3080 costs nearly as much (on its own) as an M2 air. Not surprising that SD is slower without a discrete GPU.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by taink »

qwytw wrote: post #148
taink wrote: post #21

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Their website provides good enough information I believe: - They only mention production in Germany. Their "Why Tuxedo" page[1] does seem to imply that they are building most of it themselves. - They mention TuxedoOS for the same reason System76 mentions Pop_OS!: because they made it. I would expect it to work with any one of the OS included in their WebFAI[2] pretty well[3], which by the way I believe is actually se…

> They only mention production in Germany. Their "Why Tuxedo" page[1] does seem to imply that they are building most of it themselves. AFAIK they only sell rebadged Clevo products. You should be able to get any of their laptops on https://clevo-computer.com/en/laptops-configurator/ just without the badge.

I find it misleading that they do not mention it, then. Something like "Our Clevo-based laptops are assembled by us [...]" would suffice. Laptops with Linux[1] does it, why not them?

[1] https://laptopwithlinux.com/

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by tcoff91 »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #115
mrguyorama wrote: post #81

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>It's not Linux's fault per se It IS linux's fault, in the way that whenever someone new comes into the ecosystem and says "hey this important thing doesn't work well or is broken for me" and get accosted from all directions by crazy people who haven't touched mac or windows in 20 years who insist that what you describe isn't possible, linux is super easy to fix yourself (lol), and that ideas from computing in the 60…

I agree with everything you said except for the window manager comment. i3/sway puts MacOS and Windows to shame. I could get used to my work macbook if only it would let me move focus in more than one dimension (i.e. super+left/right/up/down instead of cmd+tab back in time). MacOS is especially bad because they don't even try to address their deficiencies. They just bandaid over it with an app ecosystem and then don'…

I use Yabai on MacOS to do tiling window management and it works reasonably well, although not as good as linux window managers.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by Waterluvian »

slashdev wrote: post #25
gandalfgeek wrote: post #19

Isn't it a searing indictment of the entire Intel laptop chip lineup that a MacBook Air M1 has half the battery capacity (50Wh) while giving easily twice the battery life with as good or better performance -- and with no fans!

It's also a searing indictment of Linux. I get less than half the battery life on my Alienware AMD laptop under Linux than under Windows. I don't know what Linux is doing wrong here, but it is not energy efficient.

I’ve given up on good battery life in Linux. Any time I ask I get the “it’s easy, just do all this ridiculously complex stuff” and then it doesn’t work anyways.

So now my battery is just a UPS. Which is actually kind of nice at times!

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by notfish »

majewsky wrote: post #120
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #115

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I agree with everything you said except for the window manager comment. i3/sway puts MacOS and Windows to shame. I could get used to my work macbook if only it would let me move focus in more than one dimension (i.e. super+left/right/up/down instead of cmd+tab back in time). MacOS is especially bad because they don't even try to address their deficiencies. They just bandaid over it with an app ecosystem and then don'…

100% this. I'm using a Windows notebook at work, and I cannot go for a single week without running into some random window management bug. Despite it being the origin of its name, Windows is actually really bad at windows stuff. And that's before we get into intentionally missing features like focus-on-hover.

Can you explain more about the focus on hover feature being intentionally missing? I’ve never heard of this.

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by ilyt »

mrguyorama wrote: post #81
seabrookmx wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot of Linux apologists in your replies but my experience is exactly the same _with a laptop that supports Linux_ (Framework laptop). I'm running a very recent kernel in Fedora and have tried numerous power saving mechanisms (currently autocpufreq, although it's results are not much different from gnome PPD) and I'm lucky if I get 3 hours from the thing while running 10-15 FF tabs and a single instance of V…

>It's not Linux's fault per se It IS linux's fault, in the way that whenever someone new comes into the ecosystem and says "hey this important thing doesn't work well or is broken for me" and get accosted from all directions by crazy people who haven't touched mac or windows in 20 years who insist that what you describe isn't possible, linux is super easy to fix yourself (lol), and that ideas from computing in the 60…

please, windows can't even get alt+tab right... it just goes to whatever the fuck clown that wrote it thought would be good idea instead of previously focused window

Let alone arcane tech like "search in list of open windows"

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by dimensionc132 »

spaniard89277 wrote: post #33
gandalfgeek wrote: post #19

Isn't it a searing indictment of the entire Intel laptop chip lineup that a MacBook Air M1 has half the battery capacity (50Wh) while giving easily twice the battery life with as good or better performance -- and with no fans!

It seems that we're not getting anything close to the M1. I'll stick to second-hand thinkpads for now, but I'd really like to have a thinkpad with some ARM resembling M1. We had a good shot with frame.work but it seems nobody is going to make other boards nor are keyboards really replaceable with thinkpad-like keyboards, so the swappable parts concept falls very short for now.

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Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by ilyt »

XorNot wrote: post #104
nextos wrote: post #94

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I think Linux is not less efficient than other major OSes. I am able to squeeze 5% more battery from a MacBook Air 11'' Late 2012 using Linux vs macOS. This is possible because the machine is basically a pure Intel device, so in-kernel support for most hardware components is good. The key aspect is to implement fairly aggressive udev rules and to use no desktop environment, so that the CPU stays in powersaving states…

> and to use no desktop environment, Why do people write comments like this as though it's reasonable way to use an everyday driver PC? "I don't use a DE" - well then yes, obviously but you've also removed like 80% of the functionality to turn the thing into a dumb console. That's not what I want to use a computer for.

I mean I don't have icons on desktop but that's about only miss of feature (that I don't use on windows either). Alt + F2 for app launcher + rest of it in autostart and under few bindings for common ones. If anything it's faster than anything under Windows, although definitely a power user thing.

Also something like XFCE will still get you the graphical things to fondle without as much power usage as GNOME. The problem is really those (especially GNOME) pissing on performance and thus power usage

Re: 99Wh Battery Linux Laptop

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Post by trelane »

imiric wrote: post #98
trelane wrote: post #85

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> Hell, I'm sure many Linux users would be willing to pay a premium if all the other aspects are there. Evidence so far indicates that they do not, when given the chance.

What evidence? I don't think there's a machine that delivers on all those aspects, and makes Linux a first-class citizen. Dell and Lenovo generally do a pretty good job, and those machines sell well, but I think the quality is still below what, say, Apple can deliver. Judging by the push to get Linux to run on Apple hardware, I'd say Linux enthusiasts are not only willing to pay a premium for a quality product, but w…

I have seen a lot of complaining sand saying that the Linux kit is too expensive. Even the stuff that is actually Linux kit (System76, maybe Tux). I'd be glad to be wrong, but I'd be surprised.

I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it: the smartest thing Apple ever did was keeping you from running OSX on Windows computers. Nobody buys a commodity PC, slaps OSX on it, and expects it to work as well or better than Windows. Yet this is how many do Linux.

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