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What Happened at Alameda Research

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Re: What Happened at Alameda Research

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> FTX may be one of, if not the, biggest financial frauds/scandals in history. The media doesn't seem to be treating it as such. Most of that wealth was manufactured in the crypto bubble, not actual money people worked for and put into crypto, just early stage ponzi investors that kept rolling their investment. The wealth, while apparently substantial, was never actually there, I think most understand that the mirage…

This is simply not true. Their liabilities are in dollars because their customers wired them dollars.

Many of their customers (if not most, on volume) wired USDT obtained from other parts of the ponzi ecosystem, then traded them internally for dollars. This way, FTX could accumulate internal USD liabilities without ever having those dollars wired into their accounts. Even if we were to take at face value the $5 billion liabilities from SBF's "Excel ballancesheet", that's still less than a third of the loses.

Sure, Tether should have a 1:1 backing to real dollars or dollar denominated assets - but it's like the ponzi-world's worst kept secret that they don't, as we'll soon find out.

Re: What Happened at Alameda Research

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The Ontario Teachers' investment is outrageous. They are charging middle-class people (by definition) good money from their retirement savings to make reasonable investing decisions and do due diligence.

They have 220B AUM.

Doesn't matter. It's still a neglect of their fiduciary duties.

Re: What Happened at Alameda Research

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AFAIK, BTC and ETH have been classified as commodities - would FTX have to adhere to Commodity Exchange Act?

Do all companies in the world have to adhere to US law?

Companies run by US citizens and that deal in US dollars certainly do.

Re: What Happened at Alameda Research

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> Most news accounts seem to portray the scale of the bankruptcy as relatively small. This is a key point. They lost $16B in customer deposits. LTCM lost $4.6B in investor funds. Enron lost $11B in shareholder capital. Interestingly, while Madoff is widely quoted as having lost $65B, that was almost all fabricated paper wealth, actual losses were around $18B and $14.4B of that was recovered and returned. All of these…

This is a great point. I guess I am skeptical that everything will be lost, but even if it's only half it will still be an absolutely enormous bankruptcy and loss. If all of the actual cash, the real liquid assets were withdrawn leaving only illiquid, relatively valueless crypto tokens, and those tokens are sold down over the coming months then the percentage losses as a percentage of the max or total value they mana…

The secondary market for claims against FTX is pricing those claims at about 5c

Re: What Happened at Alameda Research

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Going through all their shenanigans, any legal activity on the exchange was rare. Extremely criminal behavior. SBF would buy tokens from his personal account, Alameda would then buy the same tokens, and then FTX would list those tokens after Alameda bought them. Criminal beyond measure and it's absurd that all of these big name funds did not do even ten minutes of due diligence. The Ontario Teacher's Pension Fund was…

Fraud upon fraud upon embezzlement upon fraud fraud.

Re: What Happened at Alameda Research

#167

I like how OP opens smugly by calling the NYT article a fluff piece, then proceeds to immediately cite anonymous Twitter anecdotes as better sources. He's right about the specific NYT article not including much pertinent information, but they're a serious journalistic publication and have verification standards for sources.

The NYT article is a shockingly bad puff piece. It doesn't once mention fraud. Doesn't call out that Alameda borrowing funds from FTX deposits is insanely illegal Makes it sound like poor SBF got unlucky and it wasn't his fault he recklessly gambled $8+B of customer deposits

Given both SBF and Caroline's family connections, I'm not surprised that the MSM is going to treat them with kid gloves.

Re: What Happened at Alameda Research

#168

I like how OP opens smugly by calling the NYT article a fluff piece, then proceeds to immediately cite anonymous Twitter anecdotes as better sources. He's right about the specific NYT article not including much pertinent information, but they're a serious journalistic publication and have verification standards for sources.

The piece is well informed and aggregates a variety of sources only a few of which are not completely credible. the NYT literally refuses to use the word "fraud" or hint at criminality after Sam stole ten billion dollars from customers.

Because actual journalists have standards to abide

Re: What Happened at Alameda Research

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A $3M monthly AWS bill. that's a nugget here. What that means is that amazon, Microsoft, and google are essentially selling shovels during a gold rush. On a subscription basis. In a form that makes it tedious and costly to actually figure out how many shovels your business has, what they do and who uses them regularly. Essentially, when there's a digital market hype, the big cloud providers collect their share on the…

That doesn’t sound like a valid criticism of cloud service providers. Or shovel sellers.

It doesn’t sound as a criticism at all.
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