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"Crypto" is useless. Bitcoin isn't. Maximalists have been warning against this stuff happening for nearly a year now. Ever since Luna collapsed, those voices grew louder, but the yield-farming degenerates chose not to listen.

> "Crypto" is useless. Bitcoin isn't. What unique properties does Bitcoin have that makes it useful that other cryptocurrencies don't, beside first mover advantage?

Not sure if the question is meant seriously but there are important differences between a serious attempt of private currency and any one of the "less serious":

Bitcoin has a real multi stakeholder maintainership, where no single party can hard fork the currency or change the rules in any important way from the ones the users signed up for. This is what people mean when they say hard forks should be close to impossible to pull off. The only exceptions are where there is absolute consensus, such as pure security issues.

Closely related to the above, the issuance model is clearly known to everyone in advance and will not change. The issuance is not the same thing as the consensus rules. That helps force stakeholders to play fair.

There is no founder or foreground representative that has an undue influence in development. Even the core developers will have to convince everyone that their changes are sound and will not change the rules of anyone's investment, and more often than not, ends up with them dropped if consensus can not be reached.

Again related to the above, there was no pre-mine. Since there was no central party, no one owned any coins before the public blockchain started. So no one could sell or promise any future winnings. There's this whole founding myth to build culture on, and npt everything may be true, but what's clear is that an effort was made to prove there was no pre-mine (someone included today's paper in the genesis block, before which per the protocol no coins can exist).

The first mover advantage does not enter this. You could start a new serious attempt at a currency along the same lines as above, but very few bother when you are competing with outright scams. Personally I believe we have to wait some time to shake out the scammers before we can see any serious attempts at competing.

Re: FTX collapse, Tether operations have links to online-poker cheating scandals

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I would be very confident I could sell before it hits $5.

What if you're asleep when it falls?

Uhhh you set a stop loss number.

If it hits x sell. So if I was given a coin currently "worth" $15,000 for $5. I could set a stop loss of $6 and always make a profit since my initial investment was $5. Asleep, awake, doesn't matter.

Re: FTX collapse, Tether operations have links to online-poker cheating scandals

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Is there truth to the U.S. sending money to Ukraine -> Ukraine funding FTX -> FTX being 2nd largest donor to Democratic party in the U.S.? Timeline: - April 25, 2019: Biden announces his presidential campaign. - 13 days later, Sam Bankman-Fried, son of Barbara Fried (co-founder of political fundraising organizations), launched FTX crypto exchange. - The exchange is an overnight success. Sam Bankman-Fried (SBM) become…

U.S. sending money to Ukraine: True Ukraine funding FTX: Mostly false. This appears to be a confusion related to the fact that Ukraine launched a website accepting cryptocurrency donations that were processed via FTX [1]. However, as far as I can tell, there was no funding of FTX by Ukraine other than possibly FTX earning transaction fees for processing the donations. FTX being 2nd largest donor to Democratic party i…

Also quite a lot sent to republicans from the CO-CEO: https://www.ft.com/content/428c7800-c72d-4c59-9940-4376fea6e... https://sherman.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/congre....

Re: FTX collapse, Tether operations have links to online-poker cheating scandals

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It's incredible that SBF was being touted by Sequoia, WEF, Fortune, chumming it up with Clinton and Blair in the Bahamas, getting meetings and kid glove treatment with the SEC, relatively glowing profile as a "do-gooder" by the NYT. All while FTX had a Chief Regulatory Officer who was basically a career white-collar criminal. It beggars belief that anyone who dug half an inch into this story wouldn't have seen 90,000…

With every crypto collapse there seems to be an associated failure by the media to do any real digging. The same thing happened with Theranos where, with a few exceptions, the media fawned over Elizabeth Holmes. It's hard to tell if the media has gotten worse at their jobs or they've always been this bad and I'm just getting older. There are plenty of earlier scams and bubbles (Enron, dot-com bubble) that slipped und…

> It's hard to tell if the media has gotten worse at their jobs

It's not that "the media" has gotten worse at their jobs. Rather, there simply a lot less funding for reporters. The hit in funding has become much worse in local reporting -- especially local newspapers. However, if this is viewed as a training ground for the few large national/international news organizations, it's easy to see how this has a profound impact for even the large and well funded publications.

There's simply much less reporting happening than their used to be, and it's a real problem.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/07/13/u-s-newsroo...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/626459/number-employees-....

Re: FTX collapse, Tether operations have links to online-poker cheating scandals

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It's incredible that SBF was being touted by Sequoia, WEF, Fortune, chumming it up with Clinton and Blair in the Bahamas, getting meetings and kid glove treatment with the SEC, relatively glowing profile as a "do-gooder" by the NYT. All while FTX had a Chief Regulatory Officer who was basically a career white-collar criminal. It beggars belief that anyone who dug half an inch into this story wouldn't have seen 90,000…

Jack from Twitter pumped crypto and NFTs heavily as well. It was likely a coordinate plot that will never result in punishment, but regardless, the money is gone. Many were warned that it was fraudulent early though... A whole lot of people lost their money based on pure willful ignorance, and that can't be given a pass either.

Re: FTX collapse, Tether operations have links to online-poker cheating scandals

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It’s amazing to me that enough people still believe in the crypto scam to keep pumping BTC above $15k. I guess they are still managing to mint fools at a fast enough pace to keep the price up.

Wouldn't we expect to see BTC hold or even gain when everyone is trying to exit their "crypto" positions?

After all, BTC is the reserve currency of all these crypto scams, as you call them.

Re: FTX collapse, Tether operations have links to online-poker cheating scandals

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“The media” is mostly just a bunch of 20-40 year olds with liberal arts bachelors degrees, trying to make ends meet and feed their families. Serious investigative reporters with the smarts and experience to dive deep were always the exception, maybe a handful in the world at any given time. So IMO, “they’ve always been this bad” is the answer, but it’s not entirely fair. Kind of like saying the cooks at McDonald’s ha…

> “The media” is mostly just a bunch of 20-40 year olds with liberal arts bachelors degrees, trying to make ends meet and feed their families. Sounds like the "Yuppie Nuremberg Defense" from Thank You For Smoking , in which a tobacco lobbyist excuses himself by saying he has a mortgage to pay.

The duty not to harm is far stronger than the duty to help.

Re: FTX collapse, Tether operations have links to online-poker cheating scandals

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> “The media” is mostly just a bunch of 20-40 year olds with liberal arts bachelors degrees, trying to make ends meet and feed their families. Sounds like the "Yuppie Nuremberg Defense" from Thank You For Smoking , in which a tobacco lobbyist excuses himself by saying he has a mortgage to pay.

So the onus on reporters to ferret out fraud has the same moral weight as tobacco lobbyists? Except they make $35k/year, get fired every 6 months as their newsrooms undergo layoffs due to lack of clicks, and get sued for investigating anyone powerful enough to matter? Can't imagine why more people don't sign up for that.

Let's say the onus is on reporters to not take money in exchange for glowing coverage. Having a mortgage to pay is no excuse. If you can't be an honest reporter, don't report at all. I think that's a reasonable standard to hold them to. If you can't hack it as an honest reporter, then go get a job in retail or something.

Anybody who took money from these people is not a victim.

Re: FTX collapse, Tether operations have links to online-poker cheating scandals

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post #48

It's incredible that SBF was being touted by Sequoia, WEF, Fortune, chumming it up with Clinton and Blair in the Bahamas, getting meetings and kid glove treatment with the SEC, relatively glowing profile as a "do-gooder" by the NYT. All while FTX had a Chief Regulatory Officer who was basically a career white-collar criminal. It beggars belief that anyone who dug half an inch into this story wouldn't have seen 90,000…

Wait, wasn't the NYT supposed to take a very critical look at everything in "tech", as a matter of editorial policy? Why were they giving such a glowing (no pun intended!) endorsement of crypto, of all things? Something doesn't add up here.

...NYT...Why were they giving such a glowing (no pun intended!) endorsement of crypto

I don't think they did.

To check my memory, I clicked on to the "Cryptocurrency" keyword to see the crypto-related stories going back. It's mostly reporting news (which is mainly bad) and skepticism.

Is the next crypto narrative is going to be "why didn't the media save us?" I guess it makes about as much sense as all the previous crypto narratives.

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