Also, why did Kent C Dodds leave a while ago? I mean, not the official story, but the actual one? He became a co-founder and left within a year...
My guess is there's way more money in his educational endeavors
Remix web framework aquired by Shopify
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Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify
#162I'll stick to NextJS. Remix seemed fishy from the very start.
To me, Remix seemed like a very lightweight reimagining of what Next excelled at (server side react with nice frontend integration). It was exciting to see how quickly it handled dynamic renders when running from a Cloudflare worker. But now that Next 13 has layouts/server components, I prefer Next.js' approach due to all the other performance work they've done with images, fonts, css, etc. One thing about Remix that…
> One thing about Remix that always confused me was the very close ties to react router. It seemed like a distinct and unrelated concept to me, and the continued association seemed like a distraction from Remix's potential to be a stronger competitor to NextJS in the long run
Nextjs also has its own routing lib so I'm not sure why you think it's so weird that react router was involved.
Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify
#163This is huge. Remix is my favorite React framework at the moment. It is by far the best abstraction I've seen of client/server model. Their API abstraction layer is just right, working with native browser and nodejs APIs, not obscure them. Typescript support is amazing. I'd bet my money on Remix model and direction vs Nextjs
> This is huge. Remix is my favorite React framework at the moment . I suppose this means it's temporarily huge.
Until someone comes up with a higher level abstraction that compiles to Remix
Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify
#164Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify
#165This is huge. Remix is my favorite React framework at the moment. It is by far the best abstraction I've seen of client/server model. Their API abstraction layer is just right, working with native browser and nodejs APIs, not obscure them. Typescript support is amazing. I'd bet my money on Remix model and direction vs Nextjs
Wait what? We have frameworks for frameworks now? What?? How did we get there :(
React without a framework only gives you a basic UI composition layer and some simple state management and inheritance tools.
With a proper framework it becomes vastly better. It's probably a philosophical thing too. You can make your own Frankenstein site with a bunch of a separate libs or you can go with an elegantly configured and single vendor supported bolts included framework.
Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify
#166Also, why did Kent C Dodds leave a while ago? I mean, not the official story, but the actual one? He became a co-founder and left within a year...
I don’t know the exact details of why he left, but I can say that a lot of us were surprised and confused when he joined Remix. The other Remix founders have great reputations everywhere they’ve worked, but Kent has kind of developed into a personality cult over the years.
His courses and personal brand have no doubt been very profitable for him, so I’m not too surprised to see him go back toward personal brand building and trying to increase the reach of his courses.
I have a lot of respect for education initiatives and efforts to create educational content, but I’ve also had to do a lot of “deprogramming” of juniors who consumed a lot of Kent C Dodds material and end up trying to overengineer everything. He also had an expensive React testing course a couple years ago that was really disappointing, which burned a lot of goodwill among the community.
Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
My guess is there's way more money in his educational endeavors
That implies he considered Remix a failure and left. Interesting.
I doubt it. Honestly I suspect he saw more money in building content that he owned 100% based on his personal brand, whereas contributing to a project that he only owned a fraction of wasn’t up his alley.
Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify
#168I never used Remix, why is it worth it investing in Remix?
With the recent updates to Next there isn't enough differentiation between the two IMO. Given that Next has huge buy-in from the JS ecosystem, choosing Next is a better bet. If Next had come out with their new updates a few months ago then I wouldn't have picked Remix.
I don't regret using Remix as I just wanted React Router + easy SSR, but it's also because of this that it wasn't very differentiated.
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#169I don't understand what is the business case for acquiring an open-source framework? Can someone explain why couldn't they just contribute or fork the project?
Rewinding earlier, what is the case for VC investment in an open source framework? Usually it's some variation of proprietary extensions ("open core"), enterprise support, and/or hosting. Docker, Red Hat, MongoDB are prominent examples. So that could also be the rationale for Shopify acquiring it. Alternatively, they could've just wanted to acquihire an excellent team.
You can learn more about OSS.Capital at their site, Joseph Jacks leaded the Remix funding a little less than a year ago, this is their first exit.
He has a really cool concept on how Open Source Software will eat Software.
Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify
#170Also, why did Kent C Dodds leave a while ago? I mean, not the official story, but the actual one? He became a co-founder and left within a year...
I don’t know the exact details of why he left, but I can say that a lot of us were surprised and confused when he joined Remix. The other Remix founders have great reputations everywhere they’ve worked, but Kent has kind of developed into a personality cult over the years. His courses and personal brand have no doubt been very profitable for him, so I’m not too surprised to see him go back toward personal brand build…
The comments of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28818829 touches on the concerns you've raised.