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macOS 13 Ventura review

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Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by kcplate »

orr721 wrote: post #105
AndroidKitKat wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank heavens someone else noticed that Preview lost its ability to open PostScript. I occasionally use Preview to render manpages as PDF so I can print them out and using the Ventura beta made me think it was just a bug. It's a shame that it is missing in the final release -- I even filed several Feedback reports with basically no response. I am not sure at all what utility there is in removing features from Preview…

Removing features like this is just plain stupid. Preview was one of the most valuable apps for viewing files preinstalled on every Mac. While I can understand that raw PostScript files are rarely seen nowadays, Encapsulated-PostScript is still used, i.e. for graphs in scientific software and publications. To add an insult to injury, the Monterey era trick still works. Change the file extension from .eps or .ps to .a…

No, it’s simply inconvenient for a really small group of people. People who are probably tech savvy enough in an hour to write a script to use Ghostscript to convert every postscript or eps file in their library to pdf.

I spent nearly 25 years in print publishing tech (up until 2015) and it was rare for the last 3 years of my tenure in that industry to see any postscript source files for anything. The industry that postscript was built for moved on nearly 10 years ago.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by kcplate »

tolger wrote: post #158
bryanlarsen wrote: post #35

This upgrade is going to cost me a lot of money. They've dropped support for my beefy 2016 MBP. Soon enough the latest version of XCode is going to require Ventura and I won't be able to build my app. Meanwhile, Linus is only just starting the discussion to drop the 486 from the Linux kernel.

No one is forcing you to upgrade. I still have a 2008 Mac running El Capitan and I can do everything I need to do on it.

Literally just retired a 2018 MBP this year because the battery swelled up.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by ninkendo »

pwinnski wrote: post #109

I hate System Preferences, have hated System Preferences for years and years. I cannot seem to get used to where things are, no matter how often I use it. The order doesn't make sense to me, the grouping doesn't make sense to me, and the icons aren't visually distinct enough for me. I might be the only one, but it's hard to imagine any overhaul of System Preference not resulting in an improvement. I'm sure it's just…

> I'm the only one struggling to understand why "Desktop & Screen Saver" is so far from "Displays" and whether what I'm looking for is in one of those or maybe "Dock & Menu Bar."

You’ll love finding out that in System Settings, the Screensaver section doesn’t let you enable/disable the Screensaver. Or adjust how long until it activates. For that you gotta go to “Lock Screen”, yay.

Here’s hoping they improve it over time, I guess.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by JohnBooty »

kossTKR wrote: post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

It's frustrating because I think a lot of people stuck with their 2015 MBPs since it was the last one with a "good" keyboard and solid assortment of ports for quite a while.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by _aavaa_ »

FireBeyond wrote: post #152
alwillis wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure they do; just not the most current versions. The App Store only sends versions you can actually run.

Sure. And "Please upgrade your version of Netflix|Hulu|Spotify|YouTube in order to connect."? I'm sure that will be considered the app developer's fault, because -they- are expected to handle backwards compatibility, since Apple won't.

If apple is sending out security updates for iOS 12 then they haven't abandoned it yet. If the developers chose to abandon it before apple did then it's on the developers.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by dwrodri »

Absolutely blows my mind that they wouldn't have a keybind for swapping between "stages" in Stage Manager. What furthers the confusion is that they did put some keybinds for things like merging applications into a single stage, but just... didn't take it all the way.

Are keybind-heavy users a dying breed? It blows my mind that Apple would wise up to returning SD Card / HDMI ports to the Macbook, only to follow that up with increasingly taking away my ability to navigate my computer with just keybinds.

I'm preaching to the choir on HN, but I think just about every piece of software aimed at creative/technical professionals (Blender/Adobe CC/Maya/Autodesk/Vim/Ableton/etc) is packed to the brim with keybinds because it allows you to do things fast.

Oh well, I guess I'll be sticking with my ^+▲, ⌘+TAB, Spotlight/Alfred, and all the binds I get from the Magnet app[1].

1: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/magnet/id441258766?mt=12

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by deafpolygon »

TwoNineA wrote: post #23

Had to flush com.apple.Spotlight.plist file to get Spotlight working properly. After upgrade, Spotlight couldn't find 3d party apps that were installed already. Also, stage manager is a UI/UX nightmare, I will stick to Rectangle app.

Which works similarly to Windows 11 snap...

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by deafpolygon »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #8

To everyone who worked on System Settings, you put in a ton of work, and you're all very talented to ship something in a new framework (SwiftUI) that has gone on to millions of devices. I only have one question: who was in charge of the thumbs up / thumbs down on this new design? Was it Craig Federighi? You all did amazing work with the tools offered - SwiftUI makes the side bar navigation and simple cell table views…

They wanted to catch up and copy Microsoft...

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by subarctic »

tolger wrote: post #158
bryanlarsen wrote: post #35

This upgrade is going to cost me a lot of money. They've dropped support for my beefy 2016 MBP. Soon enough the latest version of XCode is going to require Ventura and I won't be able to build my app. Meanwhile, Linus is only just starting the discussion to drop the 486 from the Linux kernel.

No one is forcing you to upgrade. I still have a 2008 Mac running El Capitan and I can do everything I need to do on it.

I used to think that, but at some point I noticed that homebrew was compiling dependencies instead of downloading compiled binaries, and found out it was because my OS was not in the most recent 3 versions.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by kylec »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #35

This upgrade is going to cost me a lot of money. They've dropped support for my beefy 2016 MBP. Soon enough the latest version of XCode is going to require Ventura and I won't be able to build my app. Meanwhile, Linus is only just starting the discussion to drop the 486 from the Linux kernel.

Will you need the latest version of Xcode? Could you continue to use an older version of Xcode to develop your app?
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